Re: [Wikitech-l] Commit access

2009-04-07 Thread Jan Luca
Hello, when will there a answer? Gruß Jan Luca -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Luca Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 19:58 An: 'Wikimedia developers' Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Commit

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread jidanni
It turns out it is very easy, http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5997 , to squeeze current duplication out of the text table, for we the little guy. I suppose I'll just do that often, as there is little interest in stopping new duplication coming in. Who cares when you have all

Re: [Wikitech-l] Planning to tighten TorBlock settings

2009-04-07 Thread jidanni
Let me see, is the main thrill of creating abusive usernames being that people will see them in recentchanges? Well if so consider https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364 "array of boring event types to exclude from recentchanges". P.S., I tried to add the above to http://techblog.wik

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > I just want to point out this is a *totally valid* and *very valuable* > approach -- sometimes knowing that something would be hard or impossible > to do with the current internals is a needed kick in the pants to > refactor something. Yup. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 4/7/09 1:58 PM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: > Also sprach David Gerard: > > All are worth refactoring, but you have to convince different people > > it's a good idea :-) > > Noted. So far, I've taken the "black box" approach to Wikipedia's > markup: an external perspective allows me to optimize

Re: [Wikitech-l] 404 error page

2009-04-07 Thread Sylvain Brunerie
Thank you for sending me to this bugs. I like the proposal in bug 17316 (second attachment). I hope it will be soon integrated (with multilingual support of course)... :) — Sylvain Brunerie [[w:fr:User:Delhovlyn]] On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > It needs to be updated in

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/7 Håkon Wium Lie : > Also, I don't really know how the internal systems work, and the > braces in the template code scare me. They scare everyone. The ParserFunctions syntax is evil. (This turns out to be a feature, as only those geeky enough to wrangle with it do so, giving the users a r

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach David Gerard: > It's useful and important in these markup refactorings to take > note of which bits are > > * the MediaWiki software and extensions > * [[MediaWiki:]] space messages > * template markup > > The first is the software, the third is the local wiki, the second is

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Daniel Kinzler
>> Anyway, there's a bit more visual expression of our data sizes within >> core databases: >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfjIQrTbpVkaIStok1hWAdg > > How's that commonswiki is both on s2 and s3? (the one on s2 being 10 > times larger) Ignoree the smaller one, it's an old copy from w

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/7 K. Peachey : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:57 AM,   wrote: >> Currently undos, so frequent on wikis, just blindly create a duplicate row >> instead of checking if the old one could be reused, >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18333 . Maybe some hardware >> savings could even

Re: [Wikitech-l] 404 error page

2009-04-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 4/6/09 8:07 AM, Sylvain Brunerie wrote: > We had a talk on the french-language Wikipedia a few months ago about the > 404 error page displayed to the user when he types an URL like > http://fr.wikipedia.org/Anything, instead of typing > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anything. The following proble

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/7 Lars Aronsson : > Håkon, did you only look at the English Wikipedia?  Different > languages have different coordinate templates.  When I ask around, > the Germans are convinced that their new template is the best, but > they can't give a short summary of why this is so. Yes. It's useful

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Kalan wrote: > Please have a look at how the template is fully rewritten in Russian > Wikipedia [1] and make your suggestions. The template parameters seem > to be compatible, so the suggestion may be to copy the infrastructure > from ruwiki and make improvements there. Lars Aronsson wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Platonides
Domas Mituzas wrote: > even if it could be possible to reduce amount of pointers in text by > reusing them (one can point same text entry to multiple revisions, as > it was already noted), it could make maintenance/batch operations much > more complicated. It's already this way, as rollback

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Lars Aronsson
Håkon Wium Lie wrote: > I've analyzed Wikipedia's HTML code for representing geographical > coordinates. The current code is verbose and does not support the Geo > microformat correctly. Three alternatives, differing on functionality > and code size, are suggested as replacements: > > http://ww

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > But how can I interpret the s2/s3 worksheets? What means the data and > index columns, and in what unit? composite data for all tables + composite index for all tables, per database, in megabytes. -- Domas Mituzas -- http://dammit.lt/ -- [[user:midom]] __

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Glanthor
Hi! Domas gave a very interesting link above: > Anyway, there's a bit more visual expression of our data sizes within > core databases: > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfjIQrTbpVkaIStok1hWAdg I suppose in the s1 worksheet data_length and index_length are in bytes, and calculating the en

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread j2k
Hi! Domas gave a very interesting link above: > Anyway, there's a bit more visual expression of our data sizes within > core databases: > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfjIQrTbpVkaIStok1hWAdg I suppose in the s1 worksheet data_length and index_length are in bytes, and calculating the en

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Deutschland offering short term contracts

2009-04-07 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Wikimedia Deutschland is offering contracts for a couple of projects we feel are important. If you are interested in earning some money by helping Wikimedia to improve our Wikis, have a look at these projects: * Evaluate the impact of using flagged revisions on the German Wikipedia - http://www.me

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve geo markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-07 Thread Kalan
Please have a look at how the template is fully rewritten in Russian Wikipedia [1] and make your suggestions. The template parameters seem to be compatible, so the suggestion may be to copy the infrastructure from ruwiki and make improvements there. — Kalan [1] http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/templa

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > I'm curious what does >  SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT old_text), COUNT(*) FROM text; > show on Wikipedia's database? On mine I get >  COUNT(DISTINCT old_text): 2913 >                  COUNT(*): 3560 > I.e., 1/7 of the rows are redundant. As others have noted, Wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-07 Thread Daniel Kinzler
jida...@jidanni.org schrieb: > I'm curious what does > SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT old_text), COUNT(*) FROM text; > show on Wikipedia's database? On mine I get > COUNT(DISTINCT old_text): 2913 > COUNT(*): 3560 > I.e., 1/7 of the rows are redundant. On Wikimedia wikis, text is store