Re: [Wikitech-l] commons.wikimedia.org allowing directory indexes and web robots

2009-07-22 Thread Robert Rohde
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:55 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/18 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:20 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: It'd actually be better if Google properly indexed text pages whose name ends in .jpg or whatever ... but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com [Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:42:45 +0200]: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Chengbin Zhengchengbinzh...@gmail.com wrote: ... No, I know what parsing means. Even if it takes 2 days to parse them, wouldn't it be faster than to actually create a static HTML dump the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Translate extension, jqery

2009-07-22 Thread Glanthor
Hi, the another big question is that why don't include JQuery to load automatically with _every_ pages? Now at least two wikis load JQuery v1.3.2 from common.js (see http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js, http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js), the UsabilityInitiative

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Chengbin Zheng
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote: * Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com [Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:42:45 +0200]: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Chengbin Zhengchengbinzh...@gmail.com wrote: ... No, I know what parsing means. Even if it takes 2 days to parse

Re: [Wikitech-l] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Tim Starlingtstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Brandon Sterne's messages are not in that archive. That's confusing. I'm not sure why. You're correct about what point I'm referring to. I was subscribed, but I was trolled there until I gave up and unsubscribed,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in this case we're not even talking about something that would go into HTML 5, necessarily, it's being developed by only Mozilla right now.  If more important Wikimedia people than I state agreement with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Tei
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Chengbin Zhengchengbinzh...@gmail.com wrote: ... Yes, the TombRaider version is exactly the version I want for static HTML. Just curious, is pages-articles.xml.bz2http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20090713/enwiki-20090713-pages-articles.xml.bz2 like a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Chengbin Zheng
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Chengbin Zhengchengbinzh...@gmail.com wrote: ... Yes, the TombRaider version is exactly the version I want for static HTML. Just curious, is pages-articles.xml.bz2

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Michael Rosenthal
The toolserver rules forbid that: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Rules (#8) However there is gWatch which works without authentication: http://toolserver.org/~luxo/gwatch/login.php On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Sage Ross

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Daniel Schwen
your Wikimedia password into the watchlistr.com site.  I have no specific reason to think it's a scam, but if I was trying to phish passwords I would do something like this. Would something on the toolserver be safe enough in these terms? It would seem more trustworthy, but if i recall

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Mmm. So solving this properly would require solving many of the various consolidated/multiple watchlist bugs in MediaWiki itself, then. Hm? No. Solving *this* involves having a sysadmin determine the source of IP of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Would OpenID make a difference ? It seems to me that when you authenticate to both WMF projects and to this watchlistr, you would not expose passwords in the wrong place. It seems to be also a solution of allowing Commons to authenticate in this way. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/22 Sage Ross

[Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread dan nessett
I have added an application option ktf-to-fail that when specified accumulates tests with known-to-fail status as if they failed. When this option is missing, failure statistics do not include known-to-fail results and there is a summary at the end of parserTests that specifies how many

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Happy-melon
I have a Greasemonkey script that does this, IMO, very nicely. I'm not 100% sure how GM script distribution works, but can't a server put files in a particular directory to have them be automatically suggested for installation by Greasemonkey? I know it's not a perfect or even nice solution,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread Happy-melon
I assume ktf is short for Known To Fail? You've got a bit of RAS syndrome going on there... :-D --HM dan nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:842292.50373...@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com... I have added an application option ktf-to-fail that when specified accumulates tests

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Teioscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: At a point, Brion compressed it to 242 MB. http://www.mail-archive.com/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg00358.html It looks like it was Platonides, not Brion, and as far as I can tell, Gregory Maxwell said his compression

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread dan nessett
Right. The option is a bit cryptic. I first thought of knowntofail-to-failures, but that was way too long. --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: From: Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread Chad
Why not just call it --with-known-to-fail? Easy. -Chad On Jul 22, 2009 7:11 PM, dan nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote: Right. The option is a bit cryptic. I first thought of knowntofail-to-failures, but that was way too long. --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: From:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread dan nessett
If anyone can come up with a better option name, I would be happy to replace ktf-to-fail. I generally don't like cryptic abbreviations. However, with-known-to-fail doesn't really get at the underlying meaning of the option. It specifies that known-to-fail test results are accumulated as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread Chad
Which is exactly what my param means. Its expected that failures will be reported, and --with-known-to-fail would indicate that known failures will be added. --knowntofail-to-fail and --ktf-to-fail certainly aren't any clearer. -Chad On Jul 22, 2009 7:22 PM, dan nessett dness...@yahoo.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple way to convert XML to HTML

2009-07-22 Thread Chengbin Zheng
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Teioscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: At a point, Brion compressed it to 242 MB.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread dan nessett
Well, it isn't all that clear to me, but I really don't care. I'll change it to whatever people want. Call me anything you like, but don't call me late for dinner. Can someone tell me how the --fuzz option is supposed to behave? I am cross-testing the new parserTests parameter in conjunction

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Ryan Lanerlan...@gmail.com wrote: Check out how the Flickr API works. Users can give web and desktop apps privileges (read/write/delete). It isn't really that bizarre of a concept. Read/write/delete access to what? The only cases where read access would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Happy-melonhappy-me...@live.com wrote: I have a Greasemonkey script that does this, IMO, very nicely. I'm not 100% sure how GM script distribution works, but can't a server put

[Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-22 Thread Brianna Laugher
2009/7/23 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Ryan Lanerlan...@gmail.com wrote: Check out how the Flickr API works. Users can give web and desktop apps privileges (read/write/delete). It isn't really that bizarre of a concept. Read/write/delete

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Brianna Laugherbrianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: Eh? I do. Else why bother even having a write API?  Why bother even having the login aspect to the API? The API allows you to edit if you know the password of the account you're using. I can't see the value in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-22 Thread Brianna Laugher
2009/7/23 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Brianna Laugherbrianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: Eh? I do. Else why bother even having a write API? Why bother even having the login aspect to the API? The API allows you to edit if you know the password

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-22 Thread Alex
Brianna Laugher wrote: 2009/7/23 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Brianna Laugherbrianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: Eh? I do. Else why bother even having a write API? Why bother even having the login aspect to the API? The API allows you to edit if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Brianna Laugherbrianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: The value is that you don't train your users that it's OK to give their password away to random 3rd parties. No, instead you train them to give away the ability to edit using their account to random third parties,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Known to fail interactions with compare and record

2009-07-22 Thread Tim Starling
dan nessett wrote: Well, it isn't all that clear to me, but I really don't care. I'll change it to whatever people want. Call me anything you like, but don't call me late for dinner. Can someone tell me how the --fuzz option is supposed to behave? I am cross-testing the new parserTests