Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit evaluation process

2012-07-11 Thread Daniel Friesen
It's a shame I lost my momentum developing Gareth before this and dropped back into the mundane stuff I have to get done for work. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:25:00 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote: Hi everyone, As you know,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Test error

2012-07-11 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/07/12 21:44, Jeroen De Dauw a écrit : > Hey, > > I got a unit test (added here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14870/) > causing some error which I can't figure out the cause of. > > The error is "Error: 1137 Can't reopen table: 'unittest_smw_ids'", full > message here: http://dpaste.or

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-commits] [Gerrit] Add explanation for Varnish "hashing" in light of advisories... - change (operations...varnish[testing/persistent])

2012-07-11 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 11/07/12 15:20, Siebrand Mazeland a écrit : > Could you please look into how that can be reduced? It would need a force push. That requires a special permission in Gerrit though since that can be used to rewrite the whole history. -- Antoine "hashar" Musso

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit evaluation process

2012-07-11 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 11/07/12 17:25, Rob Lanphier a écrit : > So, if you'd like to see us move off of Gerrit, now is your chance. The same goes for those willing to stick to Gerrit :-D -- Antoine "hashar" Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-07-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Yes, that would be awesome. Let us talk, ping me or Lydia. On Jul 11, 2012 3:22 PM, "Bináris" wrote: > 2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić > > > > > * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition > > of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?) > > > I suggest the Hungarian Wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-07-11 Thread Bináris
2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić > > * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition > of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?) > I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about det

Re: [Wikitech-l] midsummer updates from GSoC students?

2012-07-11 Thread Robin Pepermans
Hi, Sorry for the late answer but I was not much on the internet during the weekend (because I went to New York prior to going to DC for Wikimania). So I'm now at the Wikimania hackathon where I can talk with Niklas, my mentor. I did all what I scheduled to do before the mid-term evaluation: the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-07-11 Thread Derric Atzrott
>Don't underestimate how much readers love infoboxes. >... Highly scannable info can be of great value to readers. Agreed. I love Infoboxes and they are generally the first thing I read. I will admit that the George Washington one is far too long though; at that point it is no longer " Highly sc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > The problem with infoboxes is that they are inherently unencyclopedic. > Infoboxes are for viewing data, not for giving a nuanced and comprehensive > overview of a subject. Don't underestimate how much readers love infoboxes. We did a mobile

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

2012-07-11 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Personally, I think the focus of this discussion on infoboxes is short-sighted. My personal hope is that Wikidata will actually allow the Wikipedias to use fewer infoboxes (and when they are used, for them to be much smaller). This may sound counter-intuitive, but let me explain... Right now,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wmfall] Announcement: Peter Youngmeister joins Wikimedia as Technical Operations Engineer

2012-07-11 Thread Daniel Zahn
Awesome Peter, good timing! See you soon :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-11 Thread Andre Klapper
> On 11 July 2012 14:16, Andre Klapper wrote: > > KDE Bugzilla uses "RESOLVED UPSTREAM" for such cases, > > Mer Project uses "RESOLVED TRIAGEDUPSTREAM" for such cases. I need to correct myself: Mer Bugzilla uses TRIAGEDUPSTREAM as a *state*, not as a resolution. Also, MeeGo Bugzilla uses "WAITIN

[Wikitech-l] Gerrit evaluation process

2012-07-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As you know, when we moved to Git, we decided we would retire our home grown "Code Review" extension for MediaWiki. Having collectively not had a lot of experience with Git-based code review tools, we decided to try Gerrit. Moving to Git was a very deliberate decision that was discu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Clone an extension from a specific REL branch

2012-07-11 Thread Brion Vibber
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > This is pretty much the same as doing 'git clone' followed by 'git branch' > s/branch/checkout/ -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mai

Re: [Wikitech-l] Clone an extension from a specific REL branch

2012-07-11 Thread Brion Vibber
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Aran wrote: > I'm just wondering how to clone an extension for a particular branch... > e.g. using Subversion I could do this: > > svn co > > http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_18/extensions/CheckUser > > What's the equivalent git command to

[Wikitech-l] Clone an extension from a specific REL branch

2012-07-11 Thread Aran
Hi, I'm just wondering how to clone an extension for a particular branch... e.g. using Subversion I could do this: svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_18/extensions/CheckUser What's the equivalent git command to get that same version of the extension? Thanks, Aran _

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-11 Thread Derric Atzrott
>I'm okay with state, but not at all with resolution code. From the >reporters perspective the issue is not fixed when it is reported >upstream. For example if our Gerrit is broken, the issue not resolved >until a fix is applied in our installation. +1 I think that the state is the best way to go

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-11 Thread Niklas Laxström
On 11 July 2012 14:16, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 09:23 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote: >> I've dabbled with the idea of turning "upstream" into a state, >> actually, since the state is often inconsistent (sometimes it stays >> open, sometimes its "resolved/later"), and it's not entir

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-11 Thread Brion Vibber
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > > Barring any changes like that, I'd prefer to keep the keyword, and ask > > that the new Bug Wrangler help keep the upstream keyword up-to-date. > > For issues that do have the keyword, it's handy shorthand that has > > saved me some time pa

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-commits] [Gerrit] Add explanation for Varnish "hashing" in light of advisories... - change (operations...varnish[testing/persistent])

2012-07-11 Thread Siebrand Mazeland
Hi mark We're telling people who commit multiple commits to the same repo to squash them before submitting. Yesterday I got around 550 emails from multiple commits by you. Could you please look into how that can be reduced? Thanks. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata Infoboxes

2012-07-11 Thread Krinkle
Replies inline. On Jul 11, 2012, at 6:23 AM, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: > > When you say "Whether some Wikipedia's output is > semantically correct is important, but (afaik) has *zero* relationship > with Wikidata. And as such is not relevant here" then I feel compelled > to point out that a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-11 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 09:23 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote: > I've dabbled with the idea of turning "upstream" into a state, > actually, since the state is often inconsistent (sometimes it stays > open, sometimes its "resolved/later"), and it's not entirely clear > what it should be. Another solution w

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining (and thus editing) SVGs' text like wiki-text pages

2012-07-11 Thread Achim Flammenkamp
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 06:32:21AM -0400, Denny Vrande??i?? wrote: > Achim, > > MZ was trying to be helpful and constructive. The two of you, and many ... Sorry, you were too fast -- or were I too slow? ;) Cheers, Achim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining (and thus editing) SVGs' text like wiki-text pages

2012-07-11 Thread Achim Flammenkamp
Hi I think I should give your, MZMcBride's, word's a 2nd chance not only to cancel-down your (probably meant with good faith) comments, I excuse therefore. My aim is the have on wikimedia/wikipedia (/wiki-whatever sounds apropriate) 1) a version-control environment (as we have for artcile-, talk-

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining (and thus editing) SVGs' text like wiki-text pages

2012-07-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Achim, MZ was trying to be helpful and constructive. The two of you, and many others here, have the same goal: providing more and more people with more and more possibilites to collaboratively work at more and more artefacts and type of artefacts that will be useful to a bigger and bigger audience

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata Infoboxes

2012-07-11 Thread jmcclure
Krinkle, When you say "Whether some Wikipedia's output is semantically correct is important, but (afaik) has *zero* relationship with Wikidata. And as such is not relevant here" then I feel compelled to point out that an ontology is most certainly envisioned -- wikidata is implementing the SMW

Re: [Wikitech-l] Take a lesson from dreamhoststatus.com

2012-07-11 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:06 AM, wrote: > No link to it in the footer of http://en.wikipedia.org/ etc. pages. We should have a link to every project of ours and the subsequent language variants as well in the footer? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining (and thus editing) SVGs' text like wiki-text pages

2012-07-11 Thread Achim Flammenkamp
Hi On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 09:27:16PM -0400, MZMcBride wrote: > Achim Flammenkamp wrote: > > Yes, me. It is fine to edit -- no problems with it. YOU seem to have a > > seriously personal problem/prejudgment of this kind of text. Did you every > > wonder why XML/SVG should be human readable? > > We

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata Infoboxes

2012-07-11 Thread Krinkle
On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:29 PM, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: > In short it is either > > * no wikipedias > can be considered part of the semantic web > > * or all wikipedias stand > at the center of the semantic web > > No. A conclusion like that seems to be conflicting with what wikidata

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata: Splitting the Cache by Language

2012-07-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/07/12 19:28, Daniel Kinzler wrote: * We will split the squid cache by language, using a cookie that specifies the user's language preference (for both logged in users and anons). The same URL is used for all language versions of the page (this keeps purging simple). The reasons are: Uhh.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata: Splitting the Cache by Language

2012-07-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/07/12 23:14, Daniel Kinzler wrote: On 10.07.2012 13:58, Antoine Musso wrote: Have you considered generating a PHP template and just cache that? Then all hits would be served directly by the very simple PHP template? Could you elaborate on that idea? I'm not sure I fully understand what y

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata: Splitting the Cache by Language

2012-07-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/07/12 19:28, Daniel Kinzler wrote: * We will not use the parser cache for data pages (normal wikitext pages on the wikidata site, e.g. talk pages, will use it). The reasons are: a) memory for the parser cache is relatively scarce, multiplying the number of cached objects by the number of la

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining (and thus editing) SVGs' text like wiki-text pages

2012-07-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/07/12 23:58, MZMcBride wrote: namespace with XML in the textarea is frankly just a terrible idea. XML is a complete pain in the ass to edit by hand. Does anyone edit SVGs this way unless forced to? I do. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@l