Re: [Wikitech-l] $wgRedactedFunctionArguments

2013-10-29 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think that the proper way to handle low-level operational data like stack traces is to make it clear that it is liable to contain sensitive information, and to make no pretense at all of sanitizing it. I don't think the

[Wikitech-l] Filtering out bugs that wait for a response

2013-10-29 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, is there any possible technical way to make a filter in bugzilla that filter out bugs that are waiting for a response from bug opener (OP)? I suppose there could be either a keyword or something like WAITING-FOR-RESPONSE but in that case it would need to be removed by hand when OP respond.

Re: [Wikitech-l] $wgRedactedFunctionArguments

2013-10-29 Thread Dan Andreescu
I don't think the idea here was to ever make the stack traces *safe*, just to redact the most obvious things to reduce the risk if someone carelessly posts a stack trace publicly. Personally, I think the Java model as exemplified in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/92334/ PS3 goes too far

[Wikitech-l] OPW project: redesigning mediawiki.org homepage?

2013-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
I'm thinking of proposing the redesign of the mediawiki.org homepage as a FOSS Outreach Program for Women [1] project. I could act as co-mentor with the help of someone else. The RFC process held so far [2] would serve as a source of feedback, but the project would imply basically a restart.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Filtering out bugs that wait for a response

2013-10-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, is there any possible technical way to make a filter in bugzilla that filter out bugs that are waiting for a response from bug opener (OP)? I suppose there could be either a keyword or something like

Re: [Wikitech-l] $wgRedactedFunctionArguments

2013-10-29 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think Ori's original point stands though. Configuration could be used to redact fully / not redact at all for local debugging purposes. But a black list for what to redact is bad for all the reasons black lists

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in: are you in?

2013-10-29 Thread Aarti K. Dwivedi
Hey, Most probably I am late but can we still add tasks or volunteer for mentoring? Apologies for being late, Aarti On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have applied to Google Code-in and we will know whether we have been accepted or not this Friday.

[Wikitech-l] What's the prefered way to contribute patches to Pediapress' mwlib?

2013-10-29 Thread Strainu
Hi, I have some patches for Extension:Collection, which actually apply to mwlib. While the php code seems to reside on the wikimedia servers, mwlib is on github. Should I attach them to a corresponding bug on bugzilla.wikimedia.org, or should I open a pull request on github? Thanks, Strainu

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: What's the prefered way to contribute patches to Pediapress' mwlib?

2013-10-29 Thread Jeremy Baron
adding their list -- Forwarded message -- From: Strainu strain...@gmail.com Date: Oct 29, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] What's the prefered way to contribute patches to Pediapress' mwlib? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Hi, I have some patches

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in: are you in?

2013-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
On 10/29/2013 09:28 AM, Aarti K. Dwivedi wrote: Most probably I am late but can we still add tasks or volunteer for mentoring? Yes! Apologies for being late, You answered here. You are not late. Thank you for your involvement! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in: are you in?

2013-10-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 21:58 +0530, Aarti K. Dwivedi wrote: Most probably I am late but can we still add tasks or volunteer for mentoring? Thanks for your interest! Yes you can, and they are welcome! However I'd turn that into add tasks *AND* volunteer for mentoring, because having

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Are external link icons useful

2013-10-29 Thread Jon Robson
+ wikitech On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Also see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/23424/ In my opinion, external link icons add a lot of visual noise and not that much relevant information. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:22 PM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Filtering out bugs that wait for a response

2013-10-29 Thread Bartosz DziewoƄski
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0100, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, is there any possible technical way to make a filter in bugzilla that filter out bugs that are waiting for a response from bug opener (OP)? No, but there are some things which may or may not be close enough for your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 10/27/2013 03:37 PM, Steven Walling wrote: Many FOSS communities have dealt with the trade off between great-looking fonts and freedom by commissioning foundries to get their own free fonts. See also: Ubuntu, Android, and more. I've talked to the design team about this idea, including perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 10/28/2013 07:43 AM, Liangent wrote: btw. Be aware of internationalization issues: not to say that fonts are usually tied to a (group of) alphabets. Even digits can be affected by the language info of the context they live. See [1]: this is the standard English Wikipedia signup screen, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
As one that started of participated in this discussion in many back corners... On 10/27/2013 09:50 AM, Chad wrote: Our ideologies are far more important than typography. We bet on free licenses for all the content and software we produce, even if sometimes potentially superior free as in

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have an action item to change the order from the free fonts that are visually similar to the specified non-free fonts, I don't think* that this will change the experience for user without those fonts but

[Wikitech-l] RC for Mediawiki 1.22: 1.22.0rc0

2013-10-29 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
We've put together an RC for 1.22.0. Please test the tarball and report any bugs you find on Bugzilla: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ Full release notes: https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/tags/1.22.0rc0/RELEASE-NOTES-1.22 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.22

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Brandon Harris
They are different fonts from different font families, not members of the same family, and Helvetica is far, far more common than Helvetica Neue. On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: One question... it seems like specifying Helvetica regular and

[Wikitech-l] Localizing site names displayed RelatedSites extension

2013-10-29 Thread Eugene Zelenko
Hi! How site names displayed by RelatedSites extension could be localized? For example, such links are heavily used in Wikivoyage, but only section header in toolbox is localized and English project names are used for links. Eugene. ___ Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Rummana Yasmeen

2013-10-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'd like to introduce Rummana Yasmeen, a new Software Test Engineer in our QA team through April in our San Francisco office. Rummana is going to be working with our Visual Editor team primarily on manual testing, finding bugs so you don't have to. Depending on how things go in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [QA] Welcome, Rummana Yasmeen

2013-10-29 Thread Chris McMahon
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to introduce Rummana Yasmeen, a new Software Test Engineer in our QA team through April in our San Francisco office. Rummana is going to be working with our Visual Editor team primarily on manual

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 10/29/2013 06:30 PM, S Page wrote: This seems right. I repeat, there is no benefit to putting the free names first, unless designers think they look better. One important benefit is that we encourage use of free fonts, even when both free and proprietary fonts are installed. This fits

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcome, Rummana Yasmeen

2013-10-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 10/29/2013 06:04 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to introduce Rummana Yasmeen, a new Software Test Engineer in our QA team through April in our San Francisco office. Rummana is going to be working with our Visual Editor team primarily on manual testing, finding bugs so you

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-10-29 4:07 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: A few brave users customize the matching behavior because they prefer something else, or they read some how-to article. If we put the free names first, we just frustrate those efforts, and the experience of 90% of our users doesn't change. If we

Re: [Wikitech-l] [QA] Welcome, Rummana Yasmeen

2013-10-29 Thread James Forrester
On 29 October 2013 17:04, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to introduce Rummana Yasmeen, a new Software Test Engineer in our QA team through April in our San Francisco office. Rummana is going to be working with our Visual Editor team primarily on manual

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Daniel Friesen wrote: The extremely few users who manually customize their font-matching can still override e.g. what Nimbus Sans L points to on their machine. You're basically suggesting that users who have customized their browsers/OS to handle the patterns used on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-10-29 4:25 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Daniel Friesen wrote: The extremely few users who manually customize their font-matching can still override e.g. what Nimbus Sans L points to on their machine. You're basically suggesting that users who have customized

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
On 10/29/2013 03:30 PM, S Page wrote: Quim: And if we want to specify any fonts in our works, they should be free. Uh, why? Mac users actually have Helvetica Neue, the nicest-looking font, Windows users have Georgia. The presence of these names in our CSS does nothing to hinder the cause

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-10-29 4:47 PM, Quim Gil wrote: On 10/29/2013 03:30 PM, S Page wrote: Removing them would be detrimental for most of our users. Detrimental... they would still be able to access all our content and functionality without losing a single readable character, right? A lot less

Re: [Wikitech-l] $wgRedactedFunctionArguments

2013-10-29 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think the idea here was to ever make the stack traces *safe*, just to redact the most obvious things to reduce the risk if someone carelessly posts a stack trace publicly. Personally, I think the Java model

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Proprietary fonts are copyrighted (dubiously though) not patented. Actually this is quite complicated. In the U.S., Japan, and some other countries, typefaces cannot be copyrighted. However, specific font implementations of typefaces can. So for, example, someone could release a free license

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread S Page
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Matthew Flaschen I set up http://jsfiddle.net/UPBUH/ as a quick testing ground. Nice, I tweaked it to make http://jsfiddle.net/UPBUH/7/http://jsfiddle.net/UPBUH/6/, you can see what your browser + O.S. picks for each font name in the font stack. When I check

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in: are you in?

2013-10-29 Thread Aarti K. Dwivedi
add tasks *AND* volunteer for mentoring I agree it makes tasks easier, and I will be mentoring all the tasks I propose and any other tasks if I ca. Thanks a lot! :) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 21:58 +0530, Aarti K.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 30/10/13 11:37, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Regarding Nimbus Sans: Does anyone know how I can get this font without installing all of Ghostscript? apt-get install gsfonts ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org