Re: [Wikitech-l] February '14 appreciation thread

2014-02-20 Thread Inderpreet Singh
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: > Hi! > In a shameless copy of Sumana's August 2012 idea, I'd like to send public > thanks to some people who have helped me get some things done in the past > few weeks/days: I am new here, and I am already in love with this community.

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 21/02/2014 01:25, Luis Villa a écrit : >> Can a trademark owner sue the registrar directly? After all it sold a >> > product (the domain) using your trademark. >> > > Remember that "wiki" is not a WMF trademark :) But presumably if someone > registered something like pedia.wiki we'd have a varie

Re: [Wikitech-l] Decisions on HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture (was Re: RFC review this Friday: HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture)

2014-02-20 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Thanks Matt! I've been looking forward to more public communication on this work! (Per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-02-21the meeting is in #wikimedia-office and not #wikimedia-meetbot .) Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundatio

Re: [Wikitech-l] Decisions on HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture (was Re: RFC review this Friday: HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture)

2014-02-20 Thread Matthew Walker
Gabriel and I have posted about the current work, prototype implementations, and proposed solution in a new wiki page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/HTML_templating_library/KnockoutProposal We hope everyone has a chance to read it and bring their comments / questions / conce

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > Last time we were discussing PHP 5.4 it was quite a while ago but I > remember hearing that we'd need to do some porting work for our > extensions. Plus, we we re having a debate we were having about Suhosin > that I don't think ended up

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Chad
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: > > > Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit : > > > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people > to > > > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protec

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, I would like to present Jamie with the official barn-kitten of useful data brought to a wikitech thread. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg9lHl8CMAAhXz-.jpg Congratulations Jamie! I'd also like to take this opportunity to start an RFC on redesigning all of MediaWiki's UI, with me doing the work

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Arcane 21
Being a firm believer in the LTS model, I support David's take on this issue. Besides, they tend to be tested and reliable and have a longer support window by default, so it makes sense to support them in turn. > From: dger...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 01:04:39 + > To: wikitech-l@li

[Wikitech-l] Minor Bingle improvements - users please update your code

2014-02-20 Thread Arthur Richards
I had some free time today and made some minor improvements to Bingle to take care of two longstanding, really annoying issues: https://github.com/awjrichards/bingle/issues/10 https://github.com/awjrichards/bingle/issues/11 (Same issues also reported via BZ: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Chris Steipp
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: > Note that unless you're willing to keep up to date with WMF's relatively > fast pace of branching, you're going to miss security updates. No matter > what, if you use git you're going to get security updates slower, since > they are released int

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread David Gerard
On 21 February 2014 01:00, Techman224 wrote: > Let me put this out there so there isn’t confusion. The regular 6 month > releases of Ubuntu are the stable releases. A LTS release is released every > two years on the same cycle as regular Ubuntu releases. A LTS release is > certainly more stabl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Techman224
Let me put this out there so there isn’t confusion. The regular 6 month releases of Ubuntu are the stable releases. A LTS release is released every two years on the same cycle as regular Ubuntu releases. A LTS release is certainly more stable than regular releases, but not calling regular releas

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: > Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit : > > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to > > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands". > > > > I recommend we boycott/ignore these var

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit : > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands". > > I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them, but > I know we're going to end

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Forrester wrote: > On 20 February 2014 15:34, Ryan Lane wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Trevor Parscal > >wrote: > > > > > Is that the rule then, we have to make MediaWiki work on anything > Ubuntu > > > still supports? > > > > > > Is there a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread James Forrester
On 20 February 2014 15:34, Ryan Lane wrote: > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Trevor Parscal >wrote: > > > Is that the rule then, we have to make MediaWiki work on anything Ubuntu > > still supports? > > > > Is there a rule? > > > > We should strongly consider ensuring that the latest stable re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: > Is that the rule then, we have to make MediaWiki work on anything Ubuntu > still supports? > > Is there a rule? > > We should strongly consider ensuring that the latest stable releases of Ubuntu and probably RHEL (or maybe fedora) can run Me

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Jasper Deng
One asks whether the Foundation would've asked for a .wikimedia tld when ICANN had that application period open (provided we actually could've afforded funds to pay the huge fees required). On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 02/20/2014 04:51 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Chad
Maybe not a firm rule, but something worth being aware of. Lots of people use LTSes, so it'd be nice to not break them without some upgrade path :) -Chad On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: > Is that the rule then, we have to make MediaWiki work on anything Ubuntu > still supp

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Trevor Parscal
Is that the rule then, we have to make MediaWiki work on anything Ubuntu still supports? Is there a rule? - Trevor On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Markus Krötzsch < mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote: > On 20/02/14 05:17, Jamie Thingelstad wrote: > >> Regarding PHP 5.3 support, I put toget

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2014-02-20 2:50 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:21:37 +0100, Greg Grossmeier > wrote: > >> >>> It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to >>> keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 >>> days), while release branches

[Wikitech-l] Lower-resolution .ogv video transcodes coming

2014-02-20 Thread Brion Vibber
I've taken the liberty of enabling[1] lower-resolution .ogv video transcodes, at 360p and 160p in addition to the 480p we already generated. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61690 These will be useful for older or slower or mobile machines which need to use non-native software

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Greg Grossmeier
> Note that unless you're willing to keep up to date with WMF's relatively > fast pace of branching, you're going to miss security updates. No matter > what, if you use git you're going to get security updates slower, since > they are released into the tarballs first, then merged into master, then

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:21:37 +0100, Greg Grossmeier wrote: It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require HTML caches to be purged dur

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-02-20 Thread Quim Gil
On 02/15/2014 09:07 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Frankly, I think there has been a large degree of intransigence on both > sides. The free font advocates have refused to identify the fonts that I still miss an answer to http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2013-December/001285.html I don't w

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > Reuben Smith of wikiHow asked: > "We're having a hard time figuring out whether we should be basing our > wikiHow code off Mediawiki's external releases (such as the latest 1.22.2), > or off the branches that WMF uses for their intern

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Greg Grossmeier
> It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to > keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 > days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require > HTML caches to be purged during the upgrade process). Isn't that: >> Feel free to b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Decisions on HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture (was Re: RFC review this Friday: HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture)

2014-02-20 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 02/20/2014 01:55 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Sumana Harihareswara > mailto:suma...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > > This week, we're mostly discussing the HTML templating and SOA RFCs - > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_Summit_2014/HTML_templating >

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/20/2014 04:51 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands". Well, the ostensible pretext is that .com. is now ridiculously overloaded with myovercomplicateddomain.com b

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: > It would require pretty consistent maintenance of their own, but it could be > worth it. IOW, you need to hire a Greg Grossmeier :) -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Decisions on HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture (was Re: RFC review this Friday: HTML templating + Service Oriented Architecture)

2014-02-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > This week, we're mostly discussing the HTML templating and SOA RFCs - > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_Summit_2014/HTML_templatingand > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Services_and_narrow_interfaces

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/02/14 21:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require HTML caches to be purged during the upgrade

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Brion Vibber
TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands". I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them, but I know we're going to end up registering a bunch for the "brand protection" (rac

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require HTML caches to be purged during the upgrade process). This usually only affects changes

[Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
I got permission from Reuben Smith of wikihow and WMF release manager Greg Grossmeier to re-post this exchange. Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation Reuben Smith of wikiHow asked: "We're having a hard time figuring out whether we should be basing our wikiHow co

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Erik Moeller
We've been in discussions with Top Level Design, both to look into potentially appropriate uses (e.g. URL shorteners) and to prevent squatting of WMF trademarks. James points out that now there's .foundation there's some additional potential for mischief :P. Damn TLDs sprouting like mushrooms ..

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Quim Gil
On 02/20/2014 10:56 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote: > I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I > suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and > Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration. I'm not even sure media.wiki is a good idea, b

Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Feb 20, 2014 1:57 PM, "Derric Atzrott" wrote: > ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday. It's being managed by Top Level > Design, LLC. I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I > suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and > Wi

[Wikitech-l] How to install MediaWiki via Vagrant

2014-02-20 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
http://honeycoding.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/mediawiki-vagrant-is-tough-to-be-tamed-in-your-local-machine/ Charul is an OPW intern with Fedora working on infrastructure visualization (the Datagrepper/Dataviewer project). Charul: thanks for the post! If you have any improvements for https://www.med

[Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD

2014-02-20 Thread Derric Atzrott
ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday. It's being managed by Top Level Design, LLC. I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration. Some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-02-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 20/02/14 05:17, Jamie Thingelstad wrote: Regarding PHP 5.3 support, I put together a quick report in WikiApiary showing the versions of PHP in use across wikis. https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/PHP_Versions In short, 5.3 is the most common PHP version used by a large, large majority. Three thing