Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread aude
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a test, not a broad rollout (: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email address would have discouraged you from opening a Wikimedia account?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 November 2014 09:27, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email address would have discouraged you from opening a Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 9, 2014 5:39 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 November 2014 09:27, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/09/2014 10:20 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: Does anyone have any attack scenario that is remotely plausible which requiring a verified email would prevent? Spambots (of which there are multitude, and that hammer any mediawiki site constantly) have gotten pretty good at bypassing captchas but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Jeroen De Dauw schreef op 2014/11/09 0:29: Hey, I suspect it isn't done because it isn't a very good way to modify a complex embedded base of software, Lila. Generally, when modifying a complex embedded base, one designs first, iterates implementation and internal testing, and then releases a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread MZMcBride
Lila Tretikov wrote: We seem to really gravitate towards complexity on these things. How can we make them simple, addressing a very specific need. We can complicate later. Our wikis range in size from a few hundred revisions to hundreds of millions of revisions (and growing!). Building a scalable

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
FlaggedRevisions has never been rebranded. Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread MZMcBride
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: But there is also a great heap of anecdotal data that shows that having to provide an email account increases the barrier of entry to users signing up. So, there's a tradeoff. Eh, I think the anecdotal data (such as Facebook's and Google's hundreds of millions account

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/09/2014 12:33 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Hmmm, I imagine many spambots have already made this investment if they're dealing with popular systems that require e-mail address confirmation. No doubt there are some that do; but it's a very different technical hurdle and the management tradeoff

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread MZMcBride
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: FlaggedRevisions has never been rebranded. If you say so. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pending_Changes_enwiki_trial says Deploy FlaggedRevs extension to en.wikipedia.org while https://blog.wikimedia.org/?p=3819 says As mentioned in this post in January, the English

[Wikitech-l] Live preview

2014-11-09 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
Hi all, I've had a significant update to Live Preview in the pipeline for a while now. It brings a few major improvements, the most important of it being able to load resourceloader modules that the preview requires, fixing a whole slew of problems that the old implementation had. The only

[Wikitech-l] Autosave drafts

2014-11-09 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
Something else that I have had in the pipeline for a long while is autosave drafts. Basically, whenever you type, the article is saved to your local computer. If the browser crashes, and you visit the same article, it will prompt you for recovery. Making a Special:Autosave drafts index page

Re: [Wikitech-l] Autosave drafts

2014-11-09 Thread Vito
An online autosave with certain limitations would be even better. I'm wondering about *private* autosaved drafts for registered users, allowing, for example, 3 autosaved revs (triggered by timers/big edit delta) from the 2 last articles user is editing. Vito Inviato con AquaMail per Android

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Platonides
On 09/11/14 06:21, Pine W wrote: Discussing an option with the community to test replacing registration CAPTCHAs with an email requirement makes sense to me. I would support a small, carefully designed test. If someone is motivated to create a Wikimedia account and they don't want to register an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 9, 2014 10:40 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 November 2014 09:27, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Platonides
On 07/11/14 02:52, Jon Harald Søby wrote: The main concern is obviously that it is really hard to read, but there are also some other issues, namely that all the fields in the user registration form (except for the username) are wiped if you enter the CAPTCHA incorrectly. So when you make a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Platonides
On 09/11/14 17:19, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 11/09/2014 10:20 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: Does anyone have any attack scenario that is remotely plausible which requiring a verified email would prevent? Spambots (of which there are multitude, and that hammer any mediawiki site constantly) have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live preview

2014-11-09 Thread quiddity
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've had a significant update to Live Preview in the pipeline for a while now. It brings a few major improvements, the most important of it being able to load resourceloader modules that the preview

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Pine W
For purposes of account creation, I think of spambots and vandalbots as being in the same. If our CAPTCHAs are deterring a significant percentage of humans while allowing a significant percentage of bots through, we should change something. Pine On Nov 9, 2014 4:38 PM, Platonides

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, 1. As an editor I'd like to flag a revision as reviewed/verified by me from the revision screen or list. 2. As an editor I want to see which revisions were verified/had second opinion by other editors. That's not a service by any definition I'm aware of, that's a user

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2014-11-09 Thread reporter
MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for November 03, 2014 - November 10, 2014 Status changes this week Reports changed/set to UNCONFIRMED: 4 Reports changed/set to NEW: 35 Reports changed/set to ASSIGNED : 32

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Max Semenik
I'm pretty sure most users technical enough to use IRC are able to solve captchas well. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/11/14 06:21, Pine W wrote: Discussing an option with the community to test replacing registration CAPTCHAs with an email

[Wikitech-l] Recognition of the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group

2014-11-09 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, The Affiliations Committee is pleased to announce the recognition [1] of the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group - a user group for MediaWiki developers, admins, users, consultants, and hosting providers who cooperate in order to improve the software and advocate the needs of MediaWiki users

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Risker
On 9 November 2014 02:51, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a test, not a broad rollout (: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email address would have discouraged you from opening a Wikimedia account? Pine

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Yuvi Panda joins Ops

2014-11-09 Thread Pratik Lahoti
Congratulations Yuvi, you rock! On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Frances Hocutt frances.hoc...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations, Yuvi! Frances On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, I'm very pleased to announce that as of this week, Yuvi Panda is