Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Jon Robson
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: [...] As far as i can tell, the arguments (on enwiki) usually boil down to: *providing a share this link is a tacit endorsement/free advertisement of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Max Semenik schreef op 2015/01/09 om 16:41: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Not sure where to reply to a top-post to a bottom posted thread, so I will shoot for the middle and hope people can keep track of this knot. Your counterexample

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Dan Garry
On 9 January 2015 at 15:26, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd be really interested knowing how our inbound referral traffic from social sites differs from that from inbound traffic to social and news sites from social referral traffic. When we talk about reader decline,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Jared Zimmerman
I'd be really interested knowing how our inbound referral traffic from social sites differs from that from inbound traffic to social and news sites from social referral traffic. When we talk about reader decline, we rarely talk about how much a small increase in social referrals could offset that.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread quiddity
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: [...] As far as i can tell, the arguments (on enwiki) usually boil down to: *providing a share this link is a tacit endorsement/free advertisement of a website we dont like. Selecting who to show could present neutrality

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Max Semenik
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Not sure where to reply to a top-post to a bottom posted thread, so I will shoot for the middle and hope people can keep track of this knot. Your counterexample (which can be manually done today, so I've got

[Wikitech-l] Changing contentmodel of pages

2015-01-09 Thread Erik Bernhardson
When ContentHandler support was added to MediaWiki in 2012, the content type and content model of a revision is stored with it. However, the DB tables for WMF wikis did not have the new columns, so $wgContentHandlerUseDB was set to false on our wikis. Eventually the database jobs to add and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension registration next steps

2015-01-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 January 2015 at 07:48, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu Jan 08 2015 at 8:40:05 PM Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: How should we go about migrating extensions? I've come up with a few different ideas: 1. Package the extension registration code into an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: (Personally i think the tipping for commits is an interesting idea. Although tiping for bugs would seem better as those are concrete issues where a commit could be anything. From tipping to bounties and even internships,

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Website garnering registrations by donating few cents of dollar for each merged commit. They started a while ago but looks like it's expanding. Just FYI in case you've not received one yet. Nemo Messaggio inoltrato Oggetto:You received a tip for your commit Data:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread David Gerard
Yes. 1. penny-shavings for commits sets up terrible motivations. 2. these people are claiming money in developers' names without permission. 3. there's no evidence the whole thing isn't the scam it looks like. On 9 January 2015 at 08:18, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Link for those

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
Link for those interested: http://prime4commit.com/projects/208 I really dislike these kinds of sites. It’d be one thing if it was just donations, but developers can claim their tips and basically get paid for each commit, and it rubs me the wrong way gameifying our volunteer community like

Re: [Wikitech-l] maintenance.php files in symlinks context problem

2015-01-09 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi, On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 18:51 +0100, Jefsey wrote: I have loaded 1.23 in /wiki I have symlinked it in my /home/wiki-site/www directories. It works without problem. However, when I try That sounds like a problem with configuring MediaWiki and better suited for

[Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Rob Moen
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter has 254 million active monthly users, with 500 million tweets sent per day [2],

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension registration next steps

2015-01-09 Thread Chad
On Thu Jan 08 2015 at 8:40:05 PM Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Tim merged my patch[1] which implements the extension registration RfC[2]. For extensions (and skins!) to use this they need to be converted to have extension.json (or skin.json) files. A maintenance script,

Re: [Wikitech-l] maintenance.php files in symlinks context problem

2015-01-09 Thread Manuel Schneider
Running several wiki farms with central code repositories I know this. The fix is to set the environment variable MW_INSTALL_PATH, eg.: /home/wiki-site/www/wikifoo $ MW_INSTALL_PATH=$(pwd) php maintenance/update.php --quick /Manuel Am 09.01.2015 18:22 schrieb Andre Klapper

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 09/01/2015 20:59, Strainu ha scritto: 2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] Actually, this seems like vandalism.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2015-01-09 11:59 AM, Strainu wrote: 2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] Actually, this seems like vandalism.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I would like to see more social media features in mediawiki. You can flame me off-list, I'm just registering an opinion. I think we also need to maintain our core competency -- WMF should not be building a twitter or facebook or google plus clone, clearly. But social features built around the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Jon Robson
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: There is indeed a mighty debate about this. When we discussed the simple idea of a WikiShare extension to post articles on social media sites - it raised a hell storm that I still have war flashbacks from. I'm

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Strainu
2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] Actually, this seems like vandalism. See [5] for (what I believe to be) the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Trevor Parscal
In my opinion, we've been at odds with social media because... 1. social media contributions are rarely the kinds of contributions we desire and; 2. social media websites often operate in ways that conflict with our values and; 3. social media behaviors are not often seen has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread David Gerard
I'd say: hit social media! Make MediaWiki and Wikimedia look like a *happening place*. Everyone [*] who runs PHP is looking seriously at HHVM right now, and that's entirely because WMF moved to it. The Phabricator migration made it to lwn.net, which is low-traffic but high-quality. Basically,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Strainu
And if we're digging in the history, let's also publicly shame the culprit, User:DroneOfTheWiki: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Social_mediadiff=1041046oldid=1038651 Strainu 2015-01-09 21:59 GMT+02:00 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: 2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 9, 2015 3:24 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter has 254 million

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Brian Wolff schreef op 2015/01/09 om 15:17: I think its important to separate two types of social media interaction: *allowing people to post their favourite article (share this links) *meta level interaction (stuff about the community) Nobody objects to the second afaik. The first is like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Max Semenik
As always, if there is a way to do something, there will be a way to abuse it. Remember when we enabled IPv6 support some people started moaning that new style IPs are vandalising even though the rate of vandalism wasn't different between IPv4 and IPv6 anons? This is the same situation: to your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Dan Garry
If you're interested, the Wikipedia app has functionality which lets you share interesting snippets of articles to the social medium of your choice. We have special Tweet a Fact functionality in alpha on Android; when you highlight text in the app, and you tap the little chat bubble in the menu,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Max Semenik schreef op 2015/01/09 om 16:01: As always, if there is a way to do something, there will be a way to abuse it. Remember when we enabled IPv6 support some people started moaning that new style IPs are vandalising even though the rate of vandalism wasn't different between IPv4 and IPv6

[Wikitech-l] Roadmap and deployment highlights - week of January 12th

2015-01-09 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello and welcome to the latest edition of the WMF Engineering Roadmap and Deployment update. The full log of planned deployments next week can be found at: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_January_12th A quick list of notable items... == All Week == * HHVM will be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-01-09 03:19 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: 3. social media behaviors are not often seen has helpful to our mission. That's a near-universal attitude amongst old hands; and has spawned a number of We are not Facebook meme and a great deal of knee-jerk reaction to any feature that can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Gregory Varnum
There is indeed a mighty debate about this. When we discussed the simple idea of a WikiShare extension to post articles on social media sites - it raised a hell storm that I still have war flashbacks from. Personally, I think the arguments against at least the ability to easily share articles on

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] A new extension of content tree about Wikipedia

2015-01-09 Thread Prateek Saxena
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: @Prateek I've made a few improvements you may want to import. Thanks Timo! Done! https://github.com/prtksxna/persistent-toc/commit/fe0a0653b56e7a4e3c9f025c32359942e0f22f54 Moved the script to Github for easier patching.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Chad
On Fri Jan 09 2015 at 12:10:39 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Website garnering registrations by donating few cents of dollar for each merged commit. They started a while ago but looks like it's expanding. Just FYI in case you've not received one yet. Nemo Keep calm,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Brian Wolff
Your current balance is 0.11 XPM. Woo, a whole eighth of a cent (USD). Soon you'll be able to buy a little pseudo-brass token, then a private floating island! (Personally i think the tipping for commits is an interesting idea. Although tiping for bugs would seem better as those are concrete