Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary git module splitup notes (MediaWiki core extensions)

2011-10-05 Thread Conrad Irwin
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Happy Melon happy.melon.w...@gmail.comwrote: On 5 October 2011 22:30, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: This could still end up pulling from 600+ repos -- if there are actually changes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding MD5 / SHA1 column to revision table

2011-09-19 Thread Conrad Irwin
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@endpoint.com wrote: I'm also of the opinion that we should just store things as CHAR(32), unless someone thinks space is really at that much of a premium. The big advantage of 32 chars (i.e. 0-9a-f aka hexadecimal ) is that it's a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia dump (20110620) is 5.8G whereas previous dump(20110526) is 6.8G

2011-07-07 Thread Conrad Irwin
Hi Sezgin, Ariel recently responded to a similar question on xmldatadumps-l: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/xmldatadumps-l/2011-July/000288.html Conrad On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Sezgin Sucu sucu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The dump under Recombine articles, templates, image

Re: [Wikitech-l] Focus on sister projects

2011-04-01 Thread Conrad Irwin
project proposals for the upcoming Hackathon in Berlin? Ryan Kaldari On 4/1/11 5:53 PM, Conrad Irwin wrote: Ryan — what is your goal with the cleanup? Part of the reason I think you're getting nowhere on Wiktionary is that as far as anyone there can tell you're just changing stuff for the fun

Re: [Wikitech-l] user email validation ready

2011-01-24 Thread Conrad Irwin
Out of interest, do you know what percentage of emails in the database don't validate under the new scheme? Conrad On 24 January 2011 13:55, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Hi, We got the email validation stuff sorted out properly tonight. We even have javascript tests (thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Matching main namespace articles with associated talk page

2011-01-08 Thread Conrad Irwin
The talk page's ID may change over time (as may the page ID causing the talk page to change association) when pages are deleted and undeleted or moved. You should use the (namespace, page title) pair as persistent unique identifiers for associating talk pages and content pages. It's pretty easy to

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 31 December 2010 00:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 December 2010 00:02, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: There's an extension to 'delete' pages by blanking. I find that approach much more wiki. Pure wiki deletion is a perennial proposal. One problem is that there

Re: [Wikitech-l] Firesheep

2010-10-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
There is no real massive load caused by https at runtime. There is however a significant chink of developer and sysadmin time needed to implement this and make it work. For now, at least, the only optimisations that should be considered are those that make it easier all round. Conrad On 26 Oct

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format

2010-10-01 Thread Conrad Irwin
I was under the impression that wfUrlencode left :s unescaped - except on IIS - would that not work for the ResourceLoader? Conrad On 30 Sep 2010 23:12, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/30/10 2:12 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: Does it also allow replacing the separators with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping record of imported licensed text

2010-09-11 Thread Conrad Irwin
There's a long outstanding bug [1] to ensure that accurate attribution is maintained when templates are substituted. I don't think this is the same as maintaining attribution of external imports, but it may be that whatever solution is implemented for one can be generalised to allow the other.

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader, now in trunk!

2010-09-04 Thread Conrad Irwin
Well, given we've recently switched all projects to Vector (are there any we have yet to switch that I don't know of?) that's not really possible anymore. We could try asking someone from outside Wikimedia :p Conrad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-03 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 3 September 2010 00:51, Danese Cooper dcoo...@wikimedia.org wrote: 1. Eliminate single points of failure / bottlenecks 2. Reconfigure into teams designed to encourage faster (shorter duration) and more accurate projects / deployments 3. Develop programs to encourage / grow volunteers into

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-02 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 2 September 2010 17:40, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/3 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: * Shut down the secret staff IRC channel.  Development discussion can take place in #mediawiki, ops in #wikimedia-tech, other stuff in #wikimedia or whatever.  If users

Re: [Wikitech-l] Un-commingling Libraries in MediaWiki

2010-08-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 26 August 2010 16:13, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote:  You can also use things like function_exists() to conditionally call MediaWiki versions of things or native PHP stuff. With respect, this is the wrong way to go about it. Unconditionally remove all MediaWIki from within the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changing parser function values on execution

2010-08-21 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 21 August 2010 13:46, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Example: You enter: {{display_map:foobar}} Then save the page, and when you edit, it shows: {{display_map:93.42, 12.34}} What hook would be suited for such a thing? None of them. Either store it out-of-band, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural revisions to improve category sorting

2010-08-17 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 17 August 2010 13:06, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Дана Tuesday 17 August 2010 20:37:44 Aryeh Gregor написа: The code is currently enabled in trunk and is still awaiting review. It's basically complete, but there are some issues left: * What sortkey algorithm to use?  

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural revisions to improve category sorting

2010-07-21 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 21 July 2010 14:49, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/21 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: Note that different languages will want different orders. For instance, German generally sorts ä as ae, ö as oe and ü as ue, whereas the Swedish sort å, ä and ö at the end

Re: [Wikitech-l] LaTeX algorithmic package support for pretty algorithm pseudo-code?

2010-06-29 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 29 June 2010 19:58, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net wrote: I'm not familiar enough with the texvc code to know what it would take to add support for the algorithmic package (and I'm not sure if anyone really

Re: [Wikitech-l] a wysiwyg editor for wikipedia?

2010-05-31 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 31 May 2010 23:37, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2010 23:31, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: Wiki syntax is too complicated for this to be feasible.  It also doesn't have a one-to-one mapping to HTML.  It's been tried before, but what you end up with is

Re: [Wikitech-l] What's in a name?

2010-05-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 26 May 2010 21:21, Lane, Ryan ryan.l...@ocean.navo.navy.mil wrote: This morning I bumped the revision number to 2.0[0]. Some people on IRC didn't like this, so I reverted it and I'm bringing it here. I don't think anyone really wants to keep doing 1.x releases (people seriously get confused

Re: [Wikitech-l] Visual impairment

2010-05-17 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 17 May 2010 20:05, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Tim Starling wrote: Audio CAPTCHAs, like visual CAPTCHAs, are not accessible for all people and do not conform to W3C accessibility guidelines. What's more, they're easier to crack than visual CAPTCHAs due to their one-dimensional

Re: [Wikitech-l] bold and italic

2010-05-12 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 05/12/2010 01:11 PM, Svip wrote: On 12 May 2010 13:57, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: You could use span style=font-weight: bold, but what's the point of that? Because it would be correct HTML. It's foul HTML... The whole point is that you say what you mean, not what it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium testing framework

2010-05-01 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 05/02/2010 01:20 AM, Markus Glaser wrote: Hi everybody, at the Wkimedia Developers' Workshop, I introduced a Selenium testing framework for MediaWiki. Since it has now been promoted to maintenance/tests, I have provided some initial information it on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments: New Message class

2010-04-01 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 04/01/2010 07:33 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Actually, I think the current system is pretty good, except that the variants are confusing for historical reasons. I'd stick fairly close to the general syntax of what we have now. Off the top of my head, I would suggest syntax like the following

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-31 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/31/2010 12:31 PM, Victor wrote: Hi, now I see... I've posted a message to the fa.caml newsgroup: http://groups.google.com/group/fa.caml/browse_frm/thread/1593e053759d7679 hopefully somebody will volunteer to fix the issues, thus saving the human resources for better tasks.

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-31 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/31/2010 05:32 PM, Daniel Schwen wrote: I could be worse, It could be Math in Javascript: v = (011 + 1 + 0.1)/3; 303.36667 Somebody ought to slap you for mixing four different types in such a horrendous manner to construct something that is supposed to make people who do not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments: New Message class

2010-03-29 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/29/2010 10:36 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:57, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote: The names of the methods are somewhat confusing and it'd be nice if they were consistent. (language/inContentLanguage), (parse/text/plain/escaped/parseAsBlock) perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments: New Message class

2010-03-28 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/28/2010 05:06 PM, Niklas Laxström wrote: (2) The primary entry point is Message::key(). The syntax is little more verbose than wfMsg*'s, but much more readable imho. Do we want to use even short wrapper for the entry point? If yes, how should it be called? For example _() (often used

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/26/2010 01:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 16:30, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: and the inserted strings? 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, The entire toolbar can be customized using site JS. There are examples

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-24 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/24/2010 02:00 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote: Many LaTeX installations can be made read/write/execute anything by default. What does that mean? LaTeX can invoke external programs? Using what commands

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-23 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/23/2010 08:06 AM, Damon Wang wrote: Hello everyone, I'm interested in porting texvc to Python, and I was hoping this list here might help me hash out the plan. Please let me know if I should take my questions elsewhere. Roughly, my plan of attack would be something like this: 1.

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-23 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/23/2010 05:00 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: I suggested a Python port because http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2010#MediaWiki_core lists it as a potential project idea. I was under the impression that people around here did not want to leave texvc in OCaml. Is this wrong?

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-23 Thread Conrad Irwin
optimized I don't think that'll be an issue. This much I know, but is LaTeX actually a regular language? It's not even context free, luckily the subset we are interested in is (as clearly shown by the texvc parser :p). On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-23 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/23/2010 10:44 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Just because a language is context-sensitive doesn't mean it will be hard to write a parser for it. That's just a myth propagated by computer scientists who, strangely enough given their profession, have a disdain for the algorithm as a descriptive

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-admin-l] 2010-03-11 01:10:08: enwiki Checksumming pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 :D

2010-03-19 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/19/2010 11:02 AM, zh...@york.ac.uk wrote: What I mean is that if the current dump show there are 30 edits under the particular article name, and history dump show there are 100 edits under the same article. what's different between these 30 and 100? The current dump shows 1 edit for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cite extension- extra functionality

2010-03-17 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/17/2010 08:48 PM, Nimish Gautam wrote: Hey all, I wanted to change the cite extension to have some extra functionality. As citations have gotten more common, I've noticed an emerging use case where people will copy and paste text from wikipedia to HTML-enabled tools such as email

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code and Wikimedia Foundation

2010-03-12 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/12/2010 09:01 AM, K. Peachey wrote: Perhaps a separate IRC channel for the GSOC students/mentors (#wikimedia-gsoc?) (and who ever else wants to hangout in there) so that it doesn't get flooded with random questions and such and wouldn't be as hectic (or scary) for the newer irc users.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests

2010-03-12 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/12/2010 06:33 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: That said, this discussion isn't fruitful. Can we please move the discussion back to planning how this is going to work? Sure, the main problem I see with the proposed set up [1] is that you have no way of ensuring the MediaWiki you are hitting is in a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests

2010-03-12 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/12/2010 07:48 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: Do the parser tests only test core parser functionality, or do they also test extensions, like ParserFunctions, and SyntaxHighlight GeSHi? It is likely we'll have tests that will need to dynamically include extensions, and configure them dynamically as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Uploads on small wikis

2010-03-11 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/11/2010 07:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: For the immediate future, I suggest lifting this restriction for wikis between 1,000 and 50,000 articles in size (large enough to have a few active users, small enough to not yet have lots of policy around these issues). Ultimately we'll want to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests (was: New committers)

2010-03-10 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/10/2010 09:28 AM, K. Peachey wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote: Should we define some sort of convention for extensions to develop selenium tests? i.e perhaps some of the tests should live in a testing folder of each extension or in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests

2010-03-10 Thread Conrad Irwin
It would be good if all testing frameworks were fairly consistent. I believe a project is going to be set up to coordinate this. That's good, as the parser tests are the most widespread, copying that configuration seems easiest. (Notwithstanding all the other advantages mentioned previously).

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Idea] Using MediaWiki has a engine.

2010-02-18 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/18/2010 01:42 PM, Tei wrote: I can imagine this url: http://someserver.com/wiki/api.php?wikicode=code here urlencodedformat=jsondevice=handheld as a way to ask MediaWiki installed in someserver.com to render has html inside json the wikicode provided. Do mediawiki already

Re: [Wikitech-l] User-Agent:

2010-02-16 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/16/2010 06:57 PM, Steve Summit wrote: Presumably some percentage of that 20-50% will come back as the spammers realize they have to supply the string. Presumably we then start playing whack-a-mole. If you assume every problem is caused by actively malicious intelligent agents, then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin system rewrite

2010-02-11 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/11/2010 02:31 PM, Jack Phoenix wrote: Wow, this sparked quite a discussion -- I'm pleased to hear that so many people are interested in reworking MW's skin system to make it better! :-) As per Tim's request, I've created a branch for this in r62304 and applied the initial patch in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin system rewrite

2010-02-11 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/11/2010 03:28 PM, Jack Phoenix wrote: Skin system rewrite currently supports old, SkinTemplate/QuickTemplate-based skins. For example, Vector uses SkinTemplate and QuickTemplate and it works well -- but as noted earlier, it won't support some of the new features (SkinAfterSidebar hook

Re: [Wikitech-l] confirm dfe03c58a0a....

2010-02-10 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/10/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Schuster wrote: Hi all, I just got this email from bugzilla. Apparently Google Apps has screwed up something again so the message itself doesnt annoy me, but why are the users' passwords still sent in CLEARTEXT in these days?? Can someone (tm) of the mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] confirm dfe03c58a0a....

2010-02-10 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/10/2010 09:15 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 10 February 2010 21:00, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote: The point of the password is so you can prove to the web interface that you own the email address; so the fact that it is in your email box doesn't matter much. (If your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Theora video in IE? Use Silverlight!

2010-02-05 Thread Conrad Irwin
We have a reputation that we support open standards ... so how open is Silverlight ? It seems to be on a similar lines to Flash, Microsoft retains the reference implementation, and there's an open-source wannabe implementation struggling along behind. Both have a reputation for being closed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Flattening a wikimedia category

2010-02-04 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 02/04/2010 04:10 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Yup. Any volunteers? My understanding is that right now, the backend supports category searches as long as the categories are spelled out literally in the wikitext (not via template). Presumably it would not be too hard to append the full

Re: [Wikitech-l] RDFa and Microdata in MediaWiki

2010-01-20 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 01/20/2010 04:47 PM, Happy-melon wrote: Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c2a12e21001200638y759365c8oeecd8f06f761a...@mail.gmail.com... On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: I bet very few people would bother adding

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Conrad Irwin
* search queries are logged in a standardized fashion (for grouping), e.g. lowercase, single spaces, no leading/trailing spaces, special chars converted to spaces, etc. Wiktionary is case-sensitive and so case-folding there may not be appropriate; I personally would be interested in seeing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 01/14/2010 05:51 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote: Wiktionary is case-sensitive and so case-folding there may not be appropriate; I personally would be interested in seeing these logs before even the NFC normalizers