Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-03 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Why not? The reason that a span is needed there is because there's no access to the attributes of a Or maybe you actually want a span. Like, say, to provide a background around the link or something, like span

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-02 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: In theory. The problem is organizational: the people who change the software, the people who change the stylesheets on any particular wiki, and the people who sync new versions of the software to the site constitute a few hundred different groups, mostly pairwise disjoint.

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-02 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Aryeh Gregor: We have done other big changes in the past. Almost all creations/renamings of mediawiki messages need local community action! The real problem is user CSS/JS, I suspect. People tend to copy-paste that, and changes to document structure can break a lot of it

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com wrote: Right. While user CSS/JS is an interesting feature (in fact, it's a fundamental feature in CSS), it would be a loss if it prevents the HTML code from being improved. Wikipedia should be bold, both in the content and in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-04-02 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/2 Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com: Also sprach Aryeh Gregor:   (For those more familiar with CSS/JS than with MediaWiki, I'm   referring to user subpages here, e.g.,   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Simetrical/monobook.js.  I'm not   referring to stuff people have in their

[Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
In the quest to simplify and improve Wikipedia's HTML code, the turn has come to footnotes. Here is a proposal that describes how the number of elements needed to represent footnotes can be halved: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/ref/ As far as I can tell, the proposed markup

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Håkon Wium Lie wrote: In the quest to simplify and improve Wikipedia's HTML code, the turn has come to footnotes. Here is a proposal that describes how the number of elements needed to represent footnotes can be halved: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/ref/ As far as I

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com wrote: In the quest to simplify and improve Wikipedia's HTML code, the turn has come to footnotes. Here is a proposal that describes how the number of elements needed to represent footnotes can be halved:  

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Aryeh Gregor: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/ref/ This looks good overall. Thanks. 1) A problem we often tend to have with this kind of thing is that users write lots of custom CSS and JS that depends on the exact elements used, which breaks if we change

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve footnote markup in Wikipedia

2009-03-31 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com wrote: It's easy enough to rewrite, and the worst-case scenario is a minor stylistic change for some users. In the best case, the markup and the style sheet are changed in sync. In theory. The problem is organizational: the