Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Trevor Parscal
No offense to those who have chimed in, but seriously, this is a silly discussion. Do we really have the bandwidth to be 15 messages deep on this thread? - Trevor On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 29/03/12 00:10, Chad wrote: Hi everyone,

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Tim Starling
The doctrine of toleration requires a positive as well as a negative statement. It is not only wrong to burn a man on account of his creed, but it is right to encourage the open avowal and defence of every opinion sincerely maintained. Every man who says frankly and fully what he thinks is so far

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Petr Bena
I disagree, the previous message would sound really bit offensive to people who submitted the patch, and is nothing motivating for the volunteers who spend their time trying to help with the project. Imagine you send a code to open source project in a good faith and get the reply: I'd be more

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: No offense to those who have chimed in, but seriously, this is a silly discussion. I personally don't care what it says (the development version currently says THIS IS THE WORST PATCH EVER!!!). I was fine with I'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't really want Gerrit putting words into my mouth regardless of how nice they sound. There will always be cases where the phrase is inappropriate and offputting, regardless of which one you choose. How about Set

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 30/03/12 13:18, Chad a wrote : THIS IS THE WORST PATCH EVER!!! Does it automatically abandon the previous nominee? That would great to have since we will be guaranteed to only have one bad patch at any time. -- Antoine hashar Musso ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 30/03/12 08:10, Trevor Parscal a écrit : No offense to those who have chimed in, but seriously, this is a silly discussion. I guess that is how our community has always ran. That is very much alike the diff colors drama we had when deploying 1.19 on enwiki. Do we really have the bandwidth

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 30/03/12 08:10, Trevor Parscal a écrit : No offense to those who have chimed in, but seriously, this is a silly discussion. I guess that is how our community has always ran. That is very much alike the diff colors

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Krinkle
On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:24 AM, Tim Starling wrote: On 29/03/12 00:10, Chad wrote: Hi everyone, There's been some comments that the phrasing for a -1 vote in Gerrit (I'd prefer that you didn't submit this) is kind of personal and we can do better. I did some testing and this is totally

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Can we just set it to an empty string and let the numbers and hand-written comment speak for themselves? I think this will be more confusing. You need some text for the radio field. In any case these summaries are not meant

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't agree more. So far all proposal make implications that sometimes simply aren't appropriate. Either they leave no room for fixing it (Don't submit it), or are too much foccused on fixing something small, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Krinkle
On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Chad wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Can we just set it to an empty string and let the numbers and hand-written comment speak for themselves? I think this will be more confusing. You need some text for the radio

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Chad wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Can we just set it to an empty string and let the numbers and hand-written comment speak for themselves? I

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-30 Thread Platonides
Tim Starling wrote: I don't really want Gerrit putting words into my mouth regardless of how nice they sound. There will always be cases where the phrase is inappropriate and offputting, regardless of which one you choose. I agree with Tim here, I was thinking the same on this thread. Gerrit

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: I agree.  Having 'you' or 'i' makes the message personal when the focus should remain on the commit itself. + 1 This patch needs improvement.  |  Needs improvement, this patch does.  ( if we go with the yoda job ) I've

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 03/29/2012 09:20 AM, Chad wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: I agree. Having 'you' or 'i' makes the message personal when the focus should remain on the commit itself. + 1 This patch needs improvement. | Needs improvement, this patch does. ( if

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/3/29 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: I agree.  Having 'you' or 'i' makes the message personal when the focus should remain on the commit itself. + 1 This patch needs improvement.  |  Needs improvement, this patch does.  

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Petr Bena
It sounds better. Shame on your that you don't like Yoda On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: I agree.  Having 'you' or 'i' makes the message personal when the focus should remain on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Jon Robson
+1 for There is a problem with this patchset, please improve. Fix suggests you've broken something (Yoda version would be Problem to be improved with this patchset there is.) Does Gerrit support a yoda speak language... would make reviewing even more fun ;-)? On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1 for There is a problem with this patchset, please improve. Alright, sounds good to me. Thanks for the input everyone. I'll get this fixed soon. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Krinkle
+1 for There is a problem with this patchset (without , please improve). I think that keeps it more neutral without saying anything the user doesn't intend to say. It also keeps free ambiguity in the intention (to be disambiguated in a comment) between 'wontfix' and 'fixme'. -- Krinkle On Mar

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1 for There is a problem with this patchset, please improve. Alright, sounds good to me. Thanks for the input everyone. I'll get this fixed soon.

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 29/03/12 00:10, Chad wrote: Hi everyone, There's been some comments that the phrasing for a -1 vote in Gerrit (I'd prefer that you didn't submit this) is kind of personal and we can do better. I did some testing and this is totally configurable :) It won't change for old comments that

[Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Chad
Hi everyone, There's been some comments that the phrasing for a -1 vote in Gerrit (I'd prefer that you didn't submit this) is kind of personal and we can do better. I did some testing and this is totally configurable :) It won't change for old comments that were already submitted, but we can

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Petr Bena
* I found a problem in this revision * There is a problem in this revision * Thank you for submitting your revision, but there is some error in your code Some suggestions :) On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, There's been some comments that

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Victor Vasiliev
This patch cannot be merged in the current state or something like that. —vvv On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, There's been some comments that the phrasing for a -1 vote in Gerrit (I'd prefer that you didn't submit this) is kind of personal

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Jon Robson
+1 for There is a problem with this revision. as it doesn't make use of any personal words like 'you' or 'i' Maybe even append 'Please fix' to give an action to the sender. e.g. There is a problem with this revision. Please fix. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I support the less personal wording, but cannot is more like -2. -1 is more like should not. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2012/3/28 Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com: This

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 28/03/12 15:10, Chad a écrit : There's been some comments that the phrasing for a -1 vote in Gerrit (I'd prefer that you didn't submit this) is kind of personal and we can do better. Better as make it even more personal ? :-D My suggestion is: This patchset needs to be improved That

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'd prefer that you didn't submit this

2012-03-28 Thread Rob Moen
I agree. Having 'you' or 'i' makes the message personal when the focus should remain on the commit itself. + 1 This patch needs improvement. | Needs improvement, this patch does. ( if we go with the yoda job ) On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le