On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:19:13 +0200, bawolff wrote:
Just for reference, in this case, I'm pretty sure the code in question
has unit tests
Yes, it does.
(For posterity, my example was commit
5042d260ce5190cce0c325b7cb5b618b3cff73bc, which fixed 5.3 compat breakage
caught by 5ed35b04c99abbd
>
> (Also, that only catches incompatibilities in code that has unit tests. ;)
> I've ran into 5.3 compat breakages in the past when I added new features
> with tests, that used some existing code without tests.)
>
Just for reference, in this case, I'm pretty sure the code in question
has unit tes
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:18:57 +0200, Eran Rosenthal
wrote:
side note: How come php 5.3.3 support broken accidentally? Isn't Jenkins
script validates compatibility with the min php? :)
We run unit tests, but on PHP 5.3.10, according to the console output.
(For example
https://integration.
Maybe another php bump to something like 5.3.6. I think one php 5.3 usage goes
down then we should switch to something like php 5.5 or 5.6 or even php 7 if
php 7 get enough popularity.
On Wednesday, 22 July 2015, 21:19, Eran Rosenthal
wrote:
side note: How come php 5.3.3 support b
side note: How come php 5.3.3 support broken accidentally? Isn't Jenkins
script validates compatibility with the min php? :)
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Krinkle wrote:
>
> > On 20 Jul 2015, at 22:42, Legoktm wrote:
> >
> > OTOH, if we never bump our version requirements, there's less incen
> On 20 Jul 2015, at 22:42, Legoktm wrote:
>
> OTOH, if we never bump our version requirements, there's less incentive
> for hosting providers to upgrade their PHP. [1] has some interesting
> arguments regarding this.
>
> [1] http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2014/12/on-php-version-requirements.html
>
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Tyler Romeo
> wrote:
>
> > One thing I forgot to mention: while you're considering Debian and Ubuntu
> > support, make sure to also take into account MediaWiki support.
> >
> > Even if we upgrade our minimum
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:22:41 +0200, Gergo Tisza
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Tyler Romeo
wrote:
Even if we upgrade our minimum PHP version now, older versions of
MediaWiki with the 5.3 requirement will still be supported and receive
security updates. So the only difference wi
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> One thing I forgot to mention: while you're considering Debian and Ubuntu
> support, make sure to also take into account MediaWiki support.
>
> Even if we upgrade our minimum PHP version now, older versions of
> MediaWiki with the 5.3 require
One thing I forgot to mention: while you're considering Debian and Ubuntu
support, make sure to also take into account MediaWiki support.
Even if we upgrade our minimum PHP version now, older versions of MediaWiki
with the 5.3 requirement will still be supported and receive security updates.
So
> Debian 6.0 is supported until February 2016 and has PHP 5.3.3
>
> Ubuntu 12.04 is supported until April 2017 and has PHP 5.3.10
>
> RHEL 6/Centos is supported until June 2017 (and limited supported until
> 2020) and has PHP 5.3.3 (but they also provide officially supported 5.4/5.5
> packages)
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Moritz Muhlenhoff
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
>
>> Just as a counter-argument (and, to be clear, I do support raising our
>> minimum version), just because PHP has EOL'ed a version does not mean that
>> some distributions (
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> Just as a counter-argument (and, to be clear, I do support raising our
> minimum version), just because PHP has EOL'ed a version does not mean that
> some distributions (esp. Debian, Ubuntu) are not providing additional
> support and secu
Hi!
> What I'm answering is the proposal that removing support for PHP 5.3
> will motivate the user to upgrade their PHP, when that isn't the case.
It may not motivate them to upgrade their PHP if their hosting can not
provide that, but it will motivate them to upgrade their hosting, if the
hosti
Just as a counter-argument (and, to be clear, I do support raising our minimum
version), just because PHP has EOL'ed a version does not mean that some
distributions (esp. Debian, Ubuntu) are not providing additional support and
security updates.
If I remember from the last time we had this disc
On 07/20/2015 09:18 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> What I'm answering is the proposal that removing support for PHP 5.3
> will motivate the user to upgrade their PHP, when that isn't the case.
>
> I recall this has been the conclusion reached on this list previously
> - that this will cause problems fo
On 20 July 2015 at 17:03, Greg Grossmeier wrote:
>
>> If this is all their host provides, however, this will in practice
>> lead only to never-updated MediaWiki running on never-updated PHP.
> Not much anyone other than the host or the user can do about that.
> Certainly nothing we (MW devs and
> If this is all their host provides, however, this will in practice
> lead only to never-updated MediaWiki running on never-updated PHP.
Not much anyone other than the host or the user can do about that.
Certainly nothing we (MW devs and/or WMF) can.
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On 19 July 2015 at 19:41, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> The users should really seriously consider upgrading. 5.3 is EOL for a
> year now (which means, not even security fixes for a year) and 5.4 is
> going EOL in 2 months. If any of these sites are public-facing (and due
> to the nature of wikis, many
Hi!
> Hi php 5.5 is still probly years from being minium in mediawiki due
> to so many users use php 5.3 and 5.4.
The users should really seriously consider upgrading. 5.3 is EOL for a
year now (which means, not even security fixes for a year) and 5.4 is
going EOL in 2 months. If any of these sit
Hi php 5.5 is still probly years from being minium in mediawiki due to so many
users use php 5.3 and 5.4.
It would be a bigger impact on mediawiki then when we switch to 5.3 from the
prevous minium of 5.2.
On Sunday, 19 July 2015, 15:15, Bryan Davis wrote:
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:35 AM, bawolff wrote:
> According to our docs/internal checks, our min php version is 5.3.3.
> However as of 6e283d394f31, MediaWiki doesn't work with php 5.3.3 (You
> aren't allowed to implement an interface using an abstract method, on
> that version of PHP so you get "
On 07/19/2015 04:35 AM, bawolff wrote:
> According to our docs/internal checks, our min php version is 5.3.3.
> However as of 6e283d394f31, MediaWiki doesn't work with php 5.3.3 (You
> aren't allowed to implement an interface using an abstract method, on
> that version of PHP so you get "Fatal erro
According to our docs/internal checks, our min php version is 5.3.3.
However as of 6e283d394f31, MediaWiki doesn't work with php 5.3.3 (You
aren't allowed to implement an interface using an abstract method, on
that version of PHP so you get "Fatal error: Can't inherit abstract
function IDatabase::g
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