Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-20 Thread Tomasz Finc
yup, its seem fairly doable and the issue has been raised to our ops team. we're waiting to hear back about what's necessary in order to make it work. --tomasz On Aug 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Platonides wrote: > Brion Vibber wrote: >> However, we can't just use a User-Agent check in PHP for this,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-20 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: > However, we can't just use a User-Agent check in PHP for this, since > 90-something percent of the time the PHP scripts are not being executed: the > Squid caches respond to most web requests directly. > > So what would be required would be some filtering in the caches to che

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-19 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:52 AM, 49342) wrote: > Why is the mobile redirect left to Javascript? Wouldn't it be better > for all concerned if the redirect happened before any PHP was loaded? > > Wouldn't it be better for those older phones with little memory if the > redirect happened in PHP? >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-19 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
"K. Peachey" writes: > I think you guys are experiencing the java-script load issues Why is the mobile redirect left to Javascript? Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if the redirect happened before any PHP was loaded? Wouldn't it be better for those older phones with little memory if the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread David Gerard
On 19 August 2010 02:19, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Tomasz was unable to reproduce the bug using the same browser version, > but different phone. Perhaps K. Peachey is right and it depends on how > much memory the phone is allocating to the browser. That appears to have been the problem with older B

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Kaldari
A bug has been set up for the IEMobile issue: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24862 Tomasz was unable to reproduce the bug using the same browser version, but different phone. Perhaps K. Peachey is right and it depends on how much memory the phone is allocating to the browser. Ry

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread K. Peachey
I think you guys are experiencing the java-script load issues, Due to our amount of javascript that is loaded some browsers (eg: IE6 on desktop) can't handle it and refuses to load and errors out, This should will be fixed when the work on the resource loader branch is finished and merged.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread Maciej Jaros
At 2010-08-18 21:50, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I just looked and I could only find 2 bugs filed about Vector not > working on mobile devices. The first was for it being broken in NetFront > browsers. This was fixed less than a month after being reported (and > within a week of Wikimedia getting a dev

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I just looked and I could only find 2 bugs filed about Vector not working on mobile devices. The first was for it being broken in NetFront browsers. This was fixed less than a month after being reported (and within a week of Wikimedia getting a device to test on). The second was for Vector cras

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:29 PM, David Gerard wrote: > "that's it. :) the mobile site works. but i am not going to bother > using it. *effort*. it doesn't show up in google results and i have > epic cba." > > Not sure what the bit about Google results means ... > I think they mean that when they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread David Gerard
I got the browser string! Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile 6.0) Vodafone/1.0/HTC_Touch_Pro2/1.14.161.6 (50207) The user adds: "that's it. :) the mobile site works. but i am not going to bother using it. *effort*. it doesn't show up in google results and i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 August 2010 19:57, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I'm not sure insulting the people who worked on Vector is the best way > to motivated them to fix things. At the last company I worked for (which > owns a couple of top 100 websites and has a staff of thousands), they > didn't even care about their s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 8/17/10 2:33 PM, David Gerard wrote: > ...Wikipedia deliberately broke itself so therefore it's > Wikipedia's stupidity. (And this is not an unreasonable description of > how it happened.) > I'm not sure insulting the people who worked on Vector is the best way to motivated them to fix thin

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 August 2010 21:39, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > BTW, we are slowly fixing Vector issues for obscure browsers. For > example, I just recently fixed Vector for the PS3's browser. To fix > these issues we need 2 things: A complete description of the environment > and display behavior (preferably with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-17 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Aren't most mobile browsers supposed to be redirected to mobile.wikipedia.org anyway? BTW, we are slowly fixing Vector issues for obscure browsers. For example, I just recently fixed Vector for the PS3's browser. To fix these issues we need 2 things: A complete description of the environment a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-17 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Vector is still a miserable failure for mobile phone users. > > Is there any timescale for this being fixed? At the very least, > graceful degradation put into place? > > Latest bug report (from a friend in a Facebook conversation): > > > "maz

[Wikitech-l] Vector skin failures on mobile phones - any timeframe for a fix?

2010-08-17 Thread David Gerard
Vector is still a miserable failure for mobile phone users. Is there any timescale for this being fixed? At the very least, graceful degradation put into place? Latest bug report (from a friend in a Facebook conversation): "mazing. conservapedia still works on my mobile, wikipedia doesn't. " "