Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2015-08-27 9:04 GMT+03:00 Chad : > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:02 PM Alex Monk wrote: > > > On 27 August 2015 at 04:57, Brian Wolff wrote: > > > > > If we can serve from two different > > > domains, surely we could serve from two domains, delete 1, and then > > > just serve from the new domain. >

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Chad
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:02 PM Alex Monk wrote: > On 27 August 2015 at 04:57, Brian Wolff wrote: > > > If we can serve from two different > > domains, surely we could serve from two domains, delete 1, and then > > just serve from the new domain. > > > That's my plan with https://gerrit.wikimedi

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Alex Monk
On 27 August 2015 at 04:57, Brian Wolff wrote: > If we can serve from two different > domains, surely we could serve from two domains, delete 1, and then > just serve from the new domain. > That's my plan with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/233972/ - I've added it to the puppet SWAT window la

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/26/15, Jaime Crespo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Alex Monk wrote: > >> I'm not sure why database changes would be involved in a domain-only >> change? It should be simple enough to get the new domain set up in DNS and >> apache config, tell multiversion how to map it to the old

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread J. Zedlik
Thank you for raising the discussion! On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:41 PM, This, that and the other < at.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > I also think many of the communities, especially if small, would view a brief period of downtime as an acceptable tradeoff > for having their domain name corrected. Espe

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Alex Monk
On 26 August 2015 at 15:13, Jaime Crespo wrote: > > AFAIK It requires a patch, that is proposed (by Reedy, > I think), but not implemented. I'm not convinced that patch is needed. We already have $staticMappings in multiversion which should allow the new domain to be pointed to the old databases.

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Ricordisamoa
Also note that Wikibase sitelinks are based on database names like 'be_x_oldwiki'... Il 26/08/2015 07:20, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto: Hi, Is it possible in 2015 to rename Wikimedia domains? The usual domain name structure for a Wikimedia project is languageCode.project.org: en.wikipedia.org,

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Jaime Crespo
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Alex Monk wrote: > I'm not sure why database changes would be involved in a domain-only > change? It should be simple enough to get the new domain set up in DNS and > apache config, tell multiversion how to map it to the old DB name (there's > an array in setSiteI

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Alex Monk
On 26 August 2015 at 10:35, Jaime Crespo wrote: > Due to internal (and growing) complexity of the mediawiki software, and WMF > installation (regarding numerous plugins and services/servers), this is a > non trivial task. It also involves many moving pieces and many people- > network admins (dns)

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Jaime Crespo
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:19 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > That said, creating a wiki is actually fairly easy, so maybe we should > investigate a large-scale export and import process instead of renaming. > My answer already assumed that as the only way, hence the downtime. :-)

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread MZMcBride
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >Is it possible in 2015 to rename Wikimedia domains? As others have pointed out, it's a non-trivial task to rename a wiki. That said, creating a wiki is actually fairly easy, so maybe we should investigate a large-scale export and import process instead of renaming. MZMcBr

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Petr Kadlec
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Antoine Musso wrote: > It would surely consume a lot of engineering time to come up with a > proper migration plan and actually conduct them. I am not sure it is > worth the time and money unfortunately. > As noted by Eric Lippert, “If you're going to make a bac

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread This, that and the other
Thanks for bringing this up, Amir. I would point out that since there are such a lot of wikis waiting to be renamed, there is an opportunity for economy of scale here. If all the departments/people you list were able to set aside a couple of days to sit down together and rename the 15+ wikis w

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Jaime Crespo
(this is not an official response, just my opinion after some research on the topic) Due to internal (and growing) complexity of the mediawiki software, and WMF installation (regarding numerous plugins and services/servers), this is a non trivial task. It also involves many moving pieces and many

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/08/2015 07:20, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit : > In the past when requests to rename such domains were raised, the usual > replies were along the lines of "it's impossible" or "it's not worth the > technical effort", but I don't know the details. > > Is this still correct in 2015? As pointed out:

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-26 Thread Ryan Kaldari
be-x-old.wikipedia.org has been waiting to be renamed since 2007, so apparently it's not a quick process. On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Kartik Mistry wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: > > In a few projects the language code in the domain is different from t

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-25 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > In a few projects the language code in the domain is different from the > actual language code: 'als' is a code for Tosk Albanian, but > als.wikipedia.org is written in Alemanic; 'no' is a code for both Bokmal > Norwegian and Nynorsk Norwe

[Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

2015-08-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, Is it possible in 2015 to rename Wikimedia domains? The usual domain name structure for a Wikimedia project is languageCode.project.org: en.wikipedia.org, it.wikisource.org, etc. In a few projects the language code in the domain is different from the actual language code: 'als' is a code for