There is only 50Mhz available if I recall, so how many licensees can
their be if each is given multiple 5Mhz channels? If only one or two
companies are allowed to play in a given market then I expect 3.65Ghz to
miss the market.
-Matt
Patrick Leary wrote:
Matt, with WiMAX, a 5GHz channel is
I certainly understand SNR and how it effects licensed gear as well. If
you want to operate a network of any size you are going to need at least
3 channels. Further, even with 3 channels you will need to operate more
than one sector on the same channel at a base station, which is
certainly
McDowell Becomes FCC Member
Todd Shields
MAY 29, 2006 -
The U.S. Senate on Friday confirmed Republican Robert McDowell to be a
member of the Federal Communications Commission, giving FCC Chair Kevin
Martin his first working majority.
With McDowell as a third Republican member of the
May 25, 2006
Wireless Users No Longer Charged Federal Excise Tax
By Susan J. Campbell
TMCnet Contributing Editor
As a wireless user, aren’t you glad that have been able to do your civic
duty in financing the Spanish-America War? Yes, I am talking about the
same war that took place at the
II4A hired 2 lobbyists to write 7 template letters each, so that the 14
templates would sound and look different.
Just download, sign and fax to your Congress Critter. How many people
downloaded them? Less than 15.
How many people were aware of them?
I'd argue that could also be a
Matt,
I am not sure you understand the rules as written in terms of the light
licensing. Whatever goes unlicensed with the light licensing (registration)
compenent, whether it is the whole 50MHz of band or some portion there of,
there is no exclusivity. That means that any number of people can
I misunderstood one of your earlier emails then. I thought you were
advocating the split of the entire band into mutually exclusive licenses.
-Matt
Patrick Leary wrote:
Matt,
I am not sure you understand the rules as written in terms of the light
licensing. Whatever goes unlicensed with the
Home Broadband Penetration Up 40 Percent In Past Year
Washington, D.C. -- May 29, 2006 -- Adoption of high-speed Internet at
home grew twice as fast in the year prior to March 2006 than in the same
time frame from 2004 to 2005, according to a report of the Pew Internet
American Life Project,
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed wireless is
much bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8% of
all broadband connections in the US are delivered via fixed broadband
wireless. That means you guys! Woo Hoo!
Scriv
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WISPA Wireless List:
I've been asked if an FM broadcast station can broadcast from a remote
(non-studio) location by putting the audio over an existing license-free
wireless network to connect back to the main studio. On the surface of
it, I don't see why this wouldn't work as long as:
1. The wireless network is
You could just convert to an IP stream and then convert back
Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201
1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
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Patrick Leary wrote:
You are right John, that is huge. As you and I have agreed, the old reported
numbers many of us suspected were low due to A) the form 477 only used to
require operators to file if they had 250 or more subs, which meant most
WISPs did not have to file so their numbers were
Hi Jack,TheseareknownasStudioTransmitterLinks, and we've planned a few for our local radio conglomerates as the licensed 950 MHz STL space is rapidly melting down (who'd ever guess there could be so much interference in a licensed band!). Unlicensed is fine in many cases, but
John Scrivner wrote:
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed wireless is much
bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8% of all broadband
connections in the US are delivered via fixed broadband wireless.
Ouch. That study looks to be horribly
David - I agree with you as well... I would consider this report / poll
to be bogus to the actual #s of Fixed Wireless subscribers. With that
being said, perhaps this mistake will work in our favor :) Or against us
:(
JohnnyO
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Hopefully, the 8% (6,000,000) figure includes ONLY end-users who use
wireless broadband to get to/from their home and NOT the end-users who
have a copper/fiber-based (cable/telco) broadband connection to their
home and then use a Wi-Fi router/access point that provides the final
50-ft
Some interesting statistics -- 30% of the WISPs who attended our last WiNOG
claimed on their surveys they had been in the wireless business for more
than 5 years and had more than 1k wireless CPE deployed in the field
Less than 10% of them claimed to be pure-play license-exempt fixed
wireless
Not sure what software they are using, but I provide a backup STL for a
local FM station over my wireless network. I know they are running PCs
on both ends and a proprietary software package on the PCs. If you need
more information let me know and I'll ask the station manager.
Sam Tetherow
30% of what number Charles? How many WISPs said they have over 1,000 CPE. I
can only think of about 20 with that high a number. I'd like to be able to
toss around a better number if it can be substantiated, even anecdotally and
unscientifically like an honor survey.
Patrick
-Original
There's so much sloppy and inaccurate journalism these days that I
need reassurance that the article means what it appears to be saying.
So true Jack. I can't remember how many letters to the editor I have written
seeking to correct articles. The latest being Friday when a local Silicon
Valley
Charles said - P.S. - I heard a rumor that the current UL market leader,
Motorola Canopy sold close to $100 million in gear last year alone
Probably close to true, though I believe a bit on the high side. We probably
sold around $80M in UL last year out of our $195M total since our
UL/licensed
30% of what number Charles?
At the last show, 500+ attended representing about 350ish operators
Of these, about 40% responded
Unfortunately, we have a confidentiality agreement with our survey
respondents, so I cannot list names
How many WISPs said they have over 1,000 CPE. I can only think of
snip
Probably close to true, though I believe a bit on the high side. We probably
sold around $80M in UL last year out of our $195M total since our
UL/licensed split has historically hovered about 60% licensed/ 40% UL.
Not bad in the face of massive behemoth like Motorola.
/snip
So -- you sold
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the quality
of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly whose ARPU
is barely above $100. At 1000 customers an ARPU of $100 is only $1.2M
per year. That's a lot of radios and a lot of customers for very little
revenue.
Oh I know. Most of these guys have never posted. Many are local telcos, many
are local utilities, some are rural cellular folks. Some are just fairly
well-run start-ups. As I have cautioned many of times before, listers need
to remember that they represent a small percentage of operators out there
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak to profit, so they measure in subs.
- Peter
Matt Liotta wrote:
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality of customers can vary so
Profit is irrelevant for an early stage growth company.
-Matt
Peter R. wrote:
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak to profit, so they measure in subs.
- Peter
Matt Liotta wrote:
Not sure why the
All,
Unfortunately as Peter pointed out in a previous conversation about this
most broadband
consumers do not even know what they have for a connection.
We won't even talk about the difference between the technologies used.
As quoted from the report;
Although speed matters for broadband
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who
has just released a report that says we (Fixed Wireless Broadband
Providers) are serving the broadband needs of approximately 8% of US
home users. We obviously have been completely ignored in other reports
and surveys so
Thanks for the analysis Charles ;)
You are right that most of the UL is in the U.S. I do not have the exact
split of how much UL was in the U.S., but you are probably pretty close
except on the split between PMP and backhaul in the U.S. The PMP part is
probably around 85% of the U.S. number.
You
Scriv,
It is absolutely a step in the right direction considering all the other
recent reports lump WISP's in with Satellite.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
John Scrivner wrote:
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who
has just released a report that says we (Fixed
Peter,
While true in the simple sense, for this industry that is not always the
case at this point. You need to remember that the larger WISPs continue to
convert revenue into CAPEX as they scale and seek to capture new markets. I
know many operators that tell me if they stopped investing in new
Indeed, and the Pew study is very credible, well circulated on the Hill, and
used frequently as source material for other briefings and other reports.
Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
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From: John Scrivner
Again, pointing to CBeyonds numbers it is clear that their average
customer is not buying big TDM pipes or fiber-based services. Their
starting package is $495 per month, which is just a single T1, while
their next package up --which is priced higher than their ARPU-- is
$895, which is just
I stand corrected, fair enough Matt, but wow. That's pretty rich monthly
rates and an especially rich ARPU.
Patrick
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Again,
No, not really. Our average RMC is similar to CBeyond, but the big
difference is how much we keep of that RMC as it compares to CBeyond.
CBeyond is still pumping dollars into their direct competitor (MaBell) and
operators like us that own their own network do not.
I know of ISPs like us all over
I know I'm in a more rural area, but the only thing I have 17,000 of in
my coverage area is cows, now if I could get the RFID thing going and do
realtime tracking... ;)
I'm curious how many WISPs would have the coverage area that would
include even a possible 1000 T1s. I know that there are
Our APRU is currently at $669 and we have been raising that each
quarter. The difference between us and CBeyond is that we don't pay any
ILEC to delivery our service. Oh, and we don't have 17,000 customers... yet!
BTW, our sales team has found it easier to sell $1000 services than $400.
-Matt
Two things I would offer in regard to your situation.
First, there are plenty of businesses in rural areas that buy T1s from
the ILEC right now. There may not be thousands, but it doesn't take that
many high ARPU customers. Case in point; we recently entered a rural
market that had two local
Actually, I've begun to notice the same thing. A couple of our current
customers
bought some customized web programming from us for 1000's and we
just took a
stab in midair... ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent:
Trying to price service like that in my market would result in an ARPU
of $0. Been there, done that with the licensed LMDS players that bought
my first ISP. They laughed at our 802.11 radios as baby monitors.
The LMDS equipment is long gone, and unlicensed wireless broadband is
now the
Yes. But I do not believe it.
I don't see how the GAO can get it that wrong, less
than a 10th of a percent compared to 8%.
There is no way Fixed Wireless has 8% of the market
share.
They must be including subscribers that have
installed Wifi SoHo routers behind their Cable or DSL modems.
On 5/30/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are right about our having some folks going back years. Maybe thelongest example would Jason's Midcoast in Maine. Midcoast goes back at leastto 1997. In addition to those, we have a pretty good crop of more recent
operators that have moved
I am working on the dedicated bandwidth market and was making some
headway until Qwest rolled out their DSL services at the begining of the
month and now it is the education process all over again. Trying to
explain that 3-7 meg DSL is NOT the same quality as a dedicated 1.5 meg
circuit. But
I wouldn't count on DSL getting slower or being lower quality. Qwest has
some of the highest quality bandwidth in the business. Granted that is
changing now with the MCI and ATT deals. But, those independent DSL
providers who wholesale access from the RBOC and couple it with Cogent
are the
Or they measure in ARPU to mask profitabilty. A higher ARPU subs is not
always more profitable.
Average ARPU also does not show retention rate.
Having an average ARPU of $700 buck does not do any good if they are only a
customer for 6 months, if they end up being disatisfied after the fact.
Nor
I agree current profit is irrelevant, when considering company totals during
the early growth period.
But calcualted future Profit clearly is relevant, as far as how much profit
will be made per sub, and how soon.
Profitabilty can be misleading when jsut considering accounting paperwork
(profit
8% means...
You do not get preferrential treatment in legislation.
You do not get subsidees to foster growth of a startup industry.
You get taxed equally as telcos and cable companies.
ISPs have a viable alternative, so LECs no longer need to share their
networks with ISPs.
8% is a HUGE
Are you sure about that. I was told we were not lumped in with Satelite. We
were not listed as the volume was not large enough to get a percentage
point.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL
Its also easier getting roof rights, when the request comes from a large
tenant, who is likely the prospect for $1000 rates.
I find larger ARPU models are more predicatable, allthough more work is
involved in finding the prospect base.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed
Can someone give me their honest opinion about doing business with
www.hyperlinktech.com. They seem to have a great deal of antennas and cable
but I am not sure they are WISP friendly as odd as that seems.
-
This mail sent through IMP:
You make a logical point, but the market seems to disagree. Take the
recent Vonage IPO as an example. By all accounts the IPO was a disaster.
They offered their shares at $17 and it is now trading $13. From the
financials it is clear --at least to me-- that Vonage has no future hope
of
If nothing else, it is certainly easier to pay for the roof rights when
the revenue is worth it.
-Matt
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Its also easier getting roof rights, when the request comes from a
large tenant, who is likely the prospect for $1000 rates.
I find larger ARPU models are more
Tom,
There is no such thing as average profit per sub after ROI period. Let
me give an example:
I lease all my CPE. It is a recurring monthly debt that will never go
away. Even after 3 years, when I own the CPE, there will be new CPE that
needs purchased... and thus new towers, new AP's,
Matt,
Ok. Let me clarify my statement.
It depends on wether you are valuing a company considering...
wether its your money getting invested or someone elses.
Finding a buyer to pay the price based on no profit potential, and trading
publically, are two totally different animals.
Tom
IN 2.4Ghz you have the 3-1 rule and a very high noisefloor, practically
everywhere.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:23:22 -0400, Tom DeReggi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
3.5Ghz does,
I find that hard to believe. 2.4Ghz couldn't do it, which is why we rely
on
900Mhz.
What makes 3.5Ghz appropriate
Yes but Vonage is also a poor example of your arguement as 75% of their
expendatures is in advertising.
That means 75% of their expendatures could be stopped on demand immediately,
without reducing revenue.
How quickly could Vonage become profitable, when they reach the approrpiate
scale, and
I have had no problems. I only purchased a few selected panel and grid
antennas but with no issues and products seem to work well.
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell
Sent: Tuesday, May
As I stated, In 2005, they acquired 870,000 new customers, which even
if they had acquired for free they still wouldn't represent enough
revenue to pay for operations. In other words, if they stop marketing
they aren't profitable. Worse, their valuation is based on growth, which
they won't get
We buy several products from them. I have always had good dealings with
them. They seem to always have stock on products and ship when and how they
say.
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Travis,
Excellent point. My suggestion does not match your model.
My model is different, as I am the financers of our radio equipment.
I've paid cash in full upfront for every radio.
My cash flow model sucks, but at the end of the first year, its all profit.
(All our sales must be a 1 year or
Ouch.
Its got to make you want to throw up, doesn't it.
Its amazing what companies get away with financially.
It makes you wonder, about the intelligence of the investors.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta
By the way folks, this is a great and meaningful thread on an important
topic.
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Yes but Vonage is also a poor example of
They have to only 24db 2.4GHz grid I will use. Reliable and easy to
deal with.
I have also had very good luck with their 5.8GHz 25-27db girds.
Used to buy their amps, still have a lot in the system, but, IMO,
www.rflinx.com makes a better amp. Pricey, but worth it.
--
Rudolph Worrell
Here is an example of a ROI period ending.
I put in a $500/mo T1 and rent a $100/mo tower space. My fixed costs are
$600/mo
I put in a $1000 AP and router, and buy 100 $200 CPE. I am now $21000 in
the hole.
Each customer is paying me $50/mo. ($5000/mo total)
My ROI is 5 months, and my fixed
This discussion always fascinates me, as almost my entire market is rural
and residential. I have just 3% business customers right now.
The entire rest is residential. I have never formally surveyed my
customers, less than 10% spend $100 or on internet / phone / data services,
but I would say
Interesting. My highest priced service level is only $65.
I have about 80/20 percent mix $38 / $25 per mo customers. I have only 2
that exceed $40 / mo. This is what my business model was built on.
I expect that at 500 customers, I will have a really decent paycheck and
pretty solid
Sorry TomI am going to drive a truck through your remarks here. :-)
Tom DeReggi wrote:
8% means...
You do not get preferrential treatment in legislation.
8% means that 8% of the people are using our service which means that
our politicians have to look at how to serve the needs of
We were banned from doing business with them because we requested a
return once. Not kidding.
Scriv
Rudolph Worrell wrote:
Can someone give me their honest opinion about doing business with
www.hyperlinktech.com. They seem to have a great deal of antennas and cable
but I am not sure they
Hi,
I think that's the #1 mistake that small or startup operators make: Time
is money, so don't waste time or money.
I hear stories of people literally spending hours and hours and hours
building something because they don't want to pay $xxx for it already
built. Everyone reading this list
I have a spreadsheet that I've developed that gives me 5 years of projected
monthly costs/revenue/running costs/running revenue/cost per subscriber/debt
paydown. It summarizes to 5-year pl, 5-year debt, 5-year business value
(1xannual), 5-year resale value (business value-debt).
It does not
Pretty good point there Travis.
I would say the reason some get stuck in that frame of mind is because
when some people start out in their business, whether its a wisp
business or a widget business they start that way because they don't
have much money but plenty of time. So they figure they
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