[WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Eric Rogers
Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it

Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story

2009-10-31 Thread Patrick Leary
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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread can...@believewireless.net
We are seeing 60 Mbps HDX TCP with the Ubiquiti Rockets in 20MHz. One small problem is there appear to be some odd OSPF issues on some of our links. Still trying to figure them out though as they may not be Ubiquiti related. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread 3-dB Networks
Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
I would try a 802.11N link. We are getting 55+ Mbit TCP through them over distances of 28+ Miles. http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT%2DN%2DDualpol Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Travis Johnson
73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Does the Radwin require dual-polarity antennas? How large of channel size to get the 100Mbps? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz,

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Bret Clark
Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis

[WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?

2009-10-31 Thread Greg Ihnen
Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT Powerstation2 also in WDS station? Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela.

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mot list (WISPA Membership Recruitment)

2009-10-31 Thread Rick Harnish
Chuck and all WISP operators, You have done a great job attracting members to the WISPA Motorola List. It definitely is the most used list at our resources which speaks highly of quality of the knowledge based shared by Moto and non-Moto WISPs that populate this list. I would like to

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread 3-dB Networks
Yes. 20MHz channel. but uses H-pol and V-pol Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces -75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bret Clark Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM

Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe the Crossroads was replaced by the RB411R. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike

Re: [WISPA] More FCC news

2009-10-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
Scottie, First, at only $250 to join, its impossible to get burned by joining WISPA. Thats what, 2 hours of billable labor? This year in government (and FCC) is the busiest year yet. There is no second chance, its happening now, this year, defining our future. If you are serious about

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Eric Rogers
Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12. I was looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I am running out of spectrum. Without frequency reuse via GPS or HSS, I have to move to another frequency. 5.4 seemed like it might be a viable option for

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
Sounds like a case for using 3.65 for your BH links. Good engineering around channel assignment and width and polarity would give you a lot of combinations. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Exactly. Even though the transmitting antenna isn't any louder, the listening radio is 20 dB louder than a standard panel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I would expect to find it on higher end radios... Redline, Orthogon, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:30 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Gino Villarini
Orthogon does Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?

2009-10-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes MT have no problem doing WDS with any of the Ubnt products. One need to be master two wds stations can not talk one need to be master the other slave/station. But otherwise yes no problems. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=MikroPilot-crdeq=Tp= Complete unit. 16dBi panel, poe

Re: [WISPA] Halloween request

2009-10-31 Thread David
Batteries are cheap. It is definitely worth it to have 3-48 hours of battery back up on all tower sites. 3 for the sites with good power 24 - 48 for the sites that are hard to get to so it may be a while before the power company can fix the problem. Or it maybe the site is hard for you to get to