Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. Jayson Baker wrote: > IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on "WiFi" > > Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely > forgot

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on "WiFi" Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jree...@

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing require

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax

Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants

2009-11-25 Thread Chuck Profito
Very good job. Let see, three days of booze, food, service, surrounded by water...good closing technique! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Su

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread MDK
Pacwireless also has 802.af to 12 and 24 volt splitters. -- From: "Tom Sharples" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:09 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE > Scratch that - I forgot about the voltage co

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Blake Bowers
If corporate officers of a 10 million dollar company sign a personal guarantee for the company, one of two things are happening - the corp officer is an idiot, or they are in the toilet already. Any attorney will tell you not to sign a personal guarantee. I have only been asked once, I said no

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for then, perhaps other people are in the same position or it doesn't exist as you suggested... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Reed
I had seen that, Josh, but it wasn't quite what I am looking for. It may be useful in what I am looking for, but not quite it. Josh Luthman wrote: > Does this help? > > http://inetpro.org/wiki/OSPF_Reference_Bandwidth_Calculator > > If not what does it need that you want? > > Josh Luthman > Offi

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread MDK
Ubuquiti has something like that. -- From: "rwf" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE > Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally > power

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
This maybe? http://www.cc-consult.co.uk/ospfcalc.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Right, b

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Reed
Right, but that is not what I am looking for. I want to put each interface and the cost assigned to that interface in a database. I want to put in the interfaces each interface is directly connected to in the database. I want the tool to calculate the routes and cost between two selected interfa

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Tom Sharples
Scratch that - I forgot about the voltage conversion :-) the 25K resistor will tell the POE switch that your device is compatible, but won't lower the voltage from 48 to 12. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "Tom Sharples" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread rwf
And we should make sure to never, never do any of them. Any corporate lawyer will tell you that to be a corporation you have to "act like a corporation", which includes all the red tape and seemingly silly stuff. But signing personal guarantees is a much less obvious way of doing it too. There

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread rwf
Must be some of the newest stuff. Thanks everyone for that info. And have a happy Thanksgiving. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
UBNT either has one out or is coming out with one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "rwf" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:19 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Pa

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread richard sterne
Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Dennis Burgess
ya, there is a route calculation done in Routing ospf in MT> IT shows you the costs. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Ven

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Matt Liotta
show ip route -Matt On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? > Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? > > Scott Reed wrote: >>> Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs >>> and >>> track what you

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Does this help? http://inetpro.org/wiki/OSPF_Reference_Bandwidth_Calculator If not what does it need that you want? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein

Re: [WISPA] OSPF Calculations

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Reed
Does the lack of response mean there is no tool? Is this something WISPS would use if it were available? Scott Reed wrote: >> Does anyone have a tool you use to help determine OSPF link costs and >> track what you have set for OSPF costs? >> What I would really like is something I can enter the l

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Pacific wireless / Laird Technologies makes some units that can do this. http://www.lairdtech.com/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=4454 Shireen also makes a device for this. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=90 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Of

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Tom Sharples
If you tack-solder a 25k resistor between 4/5 and 7/8, your passive device should work. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "rwf" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE > Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread George Morris
Yes, you can. Ubiquiti has such a device. It takes 802.3af from a switch, and converts it to 16V regular passive PoE at the top of the tower. http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php http://ubnt.com/downloads/instant8023af.pdf George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Randy Cosby
Yes, UBNT makes two (an indoor and "outdoor" version): http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php Output is 16v, 0.8A. Randy rwf wrote: > Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally > powered by "passive poe" (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others > use)

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
There are MANY, MANY other ways to "pierce the corporate veil" than signing a personal guarantee. It's interesting how many corporations don't hold regular shareholder's meetings. That is often the easiest way that people break the veil without a meeting, it appears the corporation is actin

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread can...@believewireless.net
No one has them yet but Ubiquiti does make them. http://www.ubnt.com/products/8023af.php On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those > types of devices.  They don't have the switch built in, so its a > mid-span

Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread Dennis Burgess
The answer is no you can't, however there are units that will run those types of devices. They don't have the switch built in, so its a mid-span injector. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.

[WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE

2009-11-25 Thread rwf
Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a 12-15VDC device that is normally powered by "passive poe" (Pins 4/5 and 7/8 like UBNT and many of the others use) to be run from a port on a POE Ethernet switch (802.3af) Please tell me about it if you do. Thanks Ralph -

Re: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants

2009-11-25 Thread rwf
Wow! Good job! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 44 New Member Applicants WISPA is proud to announce 44 New

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread rwf
True- Also knows an "piercing the corporate veil". Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our Authorize.net transactions who did not require that. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ba

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Curtis Maurand
I agree. If your company goes belly up, they can come after your personal assets if your corp has any liabilities towards them. --Curtis fwatts wrote: > My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are > a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
My lawyer said the same thing as Travis. The way the policy reads, from my understanding, is if you start using company funds to buy your house, car, groceries, beer, movie rentals, TVs, video games, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 453

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies. Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes. Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrot

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Steve Barnes
That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee. That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread fwatts
My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other thin

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Ryan Spott
Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very > very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the > top of the getting paid list - espec

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-11-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
5600 to 5650 Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? Does an

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Blake Bowers
LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "can...@believewireless.net" To: Sent: Tuesday, No

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
So you're putting 4 of the 120's in an AP. Interesting. I'm liking that one. At 5ghz it wouldn't be a problem, I can figure that much out at least. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Wednesday, Novemb

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Can you describe your setup a little more. Like what you are using for software and stuff? I too have a project where this may be useful. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Jayson Baker wrote: > Tonight we spent a few more hours on this project. > > We're now streaming live satellite TV programming

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread George Morris
We consider the 120s to be equivalent to 'conventional' 90s and plan accordingly. I don't like the -6dB rating, it gives a false impression. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread George Morris
We're doing 5. 2.4 up here is pretty much unusable. BTW, we're seeing some big improvements in 5.1 beta. Not quite there yet, but much better. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, Novembe

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Hey, I thought the same thing! Those larger gain sectors have "geek" all over them. The lower ones look like a tic-tac. Blah. Damn, now I'll always call them tic-tacs... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
I can see your point with the pattern. I'm trying to do 5ghz on the new installs so there is plenty of space for 90 degree sectors at 20Mhz. I was being cheap, trying to save a few bucks on 120's! Change of plans Next order, lower gain and 90 degrees to see what results I get. Thanks guys.

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Ah! Good advice. I was going to order up some more of the 19's but I was going to grab some of the lower gain also. I think I'll take your lesson to heart and get the lower gain only and see what my differences are before putting more jack in the 19's. Makes sense to me. Are you doing 2.4 or 5

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
But they don't look as cool. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "George Morris" Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:29 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabol

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread George Morris
No improvement yet, but we need to re-aim before we can tell. The pattern is so flat you really need a client out there to tune against when you install, and we didn't have one at the time. Now I know better... Doing it again, we would buy the lower gain sectors instead to get a fatter pancake. A

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Okay, thanks. I read a post from one guy who had to actually do an uptilt due to the downtilt of the thing. Are you seeing any improvement over what you were using before? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe all of their sectors do. I complained to them about that. 19 dBi at 120* seems way to hot... meaning it'll be vertically too thin of a pattern. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Paul

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread George Morris
We have two 120s up so far. One thing to watch is they have quite a flat 'pancake' so vertical aiming is important. They also have 2* of electrical downtilt built in to the 19 and 20 dB, and 4* built in to the lower gain sectors. A few people have been bitten by the downtilt who didn't realize i

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Paul Hendry
Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: "Robert West" Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using

Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Yeah, I bought a handful of them back in late August to play around with. About a month ago I was out working on an AP using a 433ah and one of the R52 cards seemed flakey and all I had with me were the N cards so I swapped that one out with a R52N. The next day I noticed that card was seeing a lo

Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?

2009-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Really? Might get some myself. On 11/25/09, Robert West wrote: > I've been darned impressed with the Mikrotik R52N cards. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 200

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
I got a load from Pasadena Wireless a couple of weeks back. All of it 5.8 gear. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual P

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
Yikes! Crown Castle strikes again!! I gave up upon first read of the app. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cr

Re: [WISPA] test

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
What can I say. I told you guys I'd sell out my own mother for 16 bucks, you were warned. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR5416 based mini-pci cards?

2009-11-25 Thread Robert West
I've been darned impressed with the Mikrotik R52N cards. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone out there stock AR54

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-25 Thread Jayson Baker
Tonight we spent a few more hours on this project. We're now streaming live satellite TV programming via multicast over our network. Unencrypted, and only MPEG 2 for now. The stream is about 6Mbps. It's going over a wireless backhaul, and into a UBNT AirMax system. It's being received over the A

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-11-25 Thread Lawrence E. Bakst
Does anyone know the frequency range of the "5.6" Doppler Radar? leb At 3:08 PM -0500 11/24/09, Tom DeReggi wrote: >Forbes, > >Historically, The FCC has usually grandfathered pre-existing installations, to >protect those that have already deployed equipment. >You have 250Mhz available today betw