Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Yeah, been down that route. Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN, etc. Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out. Only logical advice was to flash with third party firmware but if that was the only option I'd rather just put in a 411ah or 433 MT board. But then I'd have to turn off Air

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
AirOS doesn't have the feature AFAIK. I'd ask in the Ubnt forums for the best answer. On 12/17/09, Robert West wrote: > Yep > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:26 A

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Most of the time I don't need to utter a single word and still I'm able to announce same. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Yep, you're right. I've had mine set too high as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units Doh! Thats it! I misr

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Yep -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EiOP Eoip you mean? :) On 12/17/09, Robert West wrote: > Anyone here ever figure ou

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread MDK
Such revelations can be most helpful in guiding future actions. however, public admissions of said revelations can be, err... Well, I'll just pretend I never read it and you pretend you never said it... Hey, anyone read the bit in the news... about the job you should be EVER so grateful you d

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread MDK
Mike, that is one of the best creative exercises in the use of the english language I have seen here You just made my evening :) -- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:30 AM To: Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation Mo

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I would sure appreciate the Tessco SKU/name/model/etc something to reference to to see what it looks like and try them out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Ein

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units

2009-12-16 Thread RickG
Doh! Thats it! I misread the settings for burst on the Advanced Page. Ubiquiti actually mixed nomenclature by using both Kbps and KBps! -RickG On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Robert West wrote: > Yep, I saw the same thing. I just let it go, haven't had time to figure it > out. Thought about t

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Eoip you mean? :) On 12/17/09, Robert West wrote: > Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device? > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Jayson Baker
ROFL!! No, I just carry a large 16oz bottle of Germ-X (the one with the pump) in my front pocket. Makes it easy to squirt. In fact, one in each pocket. Right hand, left hand. ROFLMAO Anyway... a guy that did our climbing 10 years ago wore them while climbing 80' during a snowstorm and wind. Hi

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought latex was good for sweaty palms (wet..cold...etc). Guess that's good on at least two levels. On 12/17/09, Jayson Baker wrote: > Wear latex gloves. Keeps the wind off your fingers and actually makes a BIG > difference. > When I climb, I wear latex and then some brand they sell at Home

[WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WI

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
And then we find out later that Jayson actually wears latex gloves 24 hours a day and rationalizes it to himself and everyone around him with tips and stories such as this one. Jayson, it's a phobia. The germs will always be with us and they aren't here to hurt you. Step out of your protective c

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Jayson Baker
Wear latex gloves. Keeps the wind off your fingers and actually makes a BIG difference. When I climb, I wear latex and then some brand they sell at Home Depot as "Handyman" gloves with velcro, but I got them from Tessco and they're "sticky" on the palms. They were like $40. When I take the other

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
David, Glad to hear you had good results, I'm sure some have. When they first started in my area I gave them a chance but all they talked to me was what they could do for me and how much it would cost, as in their fees. That went against my thinking of "working together" and was more of a paid c

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Yup. I gave up sub-contract work for third parties. In the long run it never paid for all the BS and hassle AND trying to get paid! They always wanted something in a hurry but when it came to money, they had all the time in the world. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.or

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Yep, I saw the same thing. I just let it go, haven't had time to figure it out. Thought about turning off bursting to see if that would fix it but I rather like allowing it, just not for as long as the nano allows it. I must be missing something like you are, dunno. Bob- -Original Messa

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread David Hannum
I'm not sure I've ever posted to the list here before. But I have to chime in on this. While New Era Broadband is a fledgling in the WISP arena, we owe our existence to Connect Ohio, especially their wireless guys Chip Spann and Layne Wagner. I've read everything everyone has said about CN and C

[WISPA] Ubiquiti units

2009-12-16 Thread RickG
Speaking of Ubiquiti units. Another issue I'm having is that the bandwidth shaping does not seem to work. Actually, it kinda works. It allows the connection to burst for a long period of time and slowly throttles back to the speed setting. I didnt notice this before but maybe its correct? -RickG

[WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

2009-12-16 Thread RickG
Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got wont connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect but have 80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous shipments have worked great. -RickG --

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread RickG
Same here. -RickG On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Bad for us. They pushed WildBlue and HughesNet over us because > WB/Hughes paid them $10k to be a partner. They also provided the > mapping for Bellsouth/ATT and Insight (cable co) and identified the > areas that they shoul

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread RickG
This reminds me of a 400' tower I climbed two winters ago. At that point, I thought I might climb for others and make a little extra cash. So, I took an offer and went to the site. We had to wait a long time for the radio station to power down which made for a very late start. When they were ready,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread eje
True but let's hope not many are waiting for this shipment not just for the antennas but also for another batch of NSM5's. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "D. Ryan Spott" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:51:30 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiqui

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your response reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number. Google calculator comes up with 42, also, if you do a search for the meaning of life, the universe and everything. Just in case you missed that one. (Has any

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread D. Ryan Spott
You will have 1 container less to count if the shipment comes in at the right time! :) ryan On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: > Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas > was on > the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas was on the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment that is still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week because we want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between Chri

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Scott Piehn
Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in particular Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: "Eje Gustafsson" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nano

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't forget the towel.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer to

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On B

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

2009-12-16 Thread Stuart Pierce
Then again there is that part about a 120* sector and the thinking that each cpe is in fact acting like a ptp system, since the ap only talks to one cpe at a time. Just to throw another log on the fire. The 120* part comes from what I understood from someone talking about this type of discussi

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Mike
Oh, and I was giving you credit for quoting from Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy, where 42 was the answer to the Universal Question. mg At 04:11 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: >I read an interesting thing the other day concerning that. As proof that >you can use numbers to come to any conclusion tha

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Brian Webster
You guys are missing the point. Before the NTIA mapping grants were awarded, there were no specific rules as to how the mapping was to be done and how the data was supposed to be available and in what form. Now with these broadband mapping grants there is a national standard that they ALL (includin

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Then you should be thankful you're that much ahead :) I think it was two years ago when I came down and hands warmed up (they were blue as usual) I was in so much pain I was tearing felt like throwing up. Hated that. On 12/16/09, Robert West wrote: > Mine seem to freeze at approximately...

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had to buy 4 or 5 to get them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISP

[WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Matt
Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh 28 degrees while holding onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, Decembe

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Really glad you're OK! I have never been able to keep my fingers decent - they freeze at 50! On 12/16/09, Robert West wrote: > I'm an idiot. > > > > Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon. 300 foot tower. Drive > to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,

[WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
I'm an idiot. Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon. 300 foot tower. Drive to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat, all good. No gloves. Figures. Where are the gloves? The NEW gloves? Home. All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves. Did I

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
Their "Connect Ohio" site has an interactive map where you can choose what type of data you want in the map. That map. Jesus, what a pain in the butt that thing is to use. About the worst piece of online software I ever had to deal with. But for a quick check on the census I've found it oka

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I concur with Robert. I went to the first or second Connect Ohio meeting and came out laughing at what a waste of time, money and effort it was. Then I realized I'm paying for it and the smile went away. What did you find for census and mapping data? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
We have them here in Ohio. I'm back and forth on it. On one hand, the one time I tried asking for some info from them they wanted to charge me some consulting fee and so a spectrum analysis of the area had nothing to do with what I was asking so I shut them out. Then I started going to the meeti

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
If he's a small network you could probably install in the same area for your 100 bucks per. He wants out anyhow. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'WISPA Gen

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
I read an interesting thing the other day concerning that. As proof that you can use numbers to come to any conclusion that you desire, some smart guy worked out some equation with the total mass of the universe (how in the heck can anyone even calculate that?) and he comes up with an answer of 42

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
I certainly was not expecting a "Thanks for all the fish". You the man! Thanks, Marlon! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [W

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 14:40 -0500, Shaddi Hasan wrote: > I must have missed this discussion, but could someone point me to some > threads where this conclusion was reached, or what some of the rationale > was? Not trying to argue just trying to understand. THis was discussed primarily on the memb

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
I submitted my information to them, actually exports of RM. Gerard introduced him to RM, but didn't train him by any means. We may have benefited from people searching for our service from them, but they have long been gone in our area and their loss of coverage maps has had no impact on new sign

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Brian Webster
The way connected nation has to abide by the broadband mapping grant rules, is quite different from the way they have operated on past projects. The recent threads about them were based on the fact that they appear to have a clueless person using Radio Mobile to generate WISP coverage maps. One per

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
Bad for us. They pushed WildBlue and HughesNet over us because WB/Hughes paid them $10k to be a partner. They also provided the mapping for Bellsouth/ATT and Insight (cable co) and identified the areas that they should serve. In my guestimate, it hurt us to the tune of 50-150 customers. Regards

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Nathan Stooke
Hello, We are in the same state and chose not to give them the data either. Not only would it take us a good while to get the data they wanted we did not feel good about the setup. Until the state makes us or CN changes we will not be giving them any info. Thanks -Original

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Adam Kennedy
Do they make a Visine for that? On 12/16/09 2:55 PM, "Jack Unger" wrote: Last year the WISPA Board went through an E X T E N S I V E review and discussion about Connected Nation. CN wanted WISPA to "join" which would have meant that they co-opt us. The Board's conclusion was "Bad for WISPA. C

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Jack Unger
Last year the WISPA Board went through an E X T E N S I V E review and discussion about Connected Nation. CN wanted WISPA to "join" which would have meant that they co-opt us. The Board's conclusion was "Bad for WISPA. CN is Telco tool". Of course, CN didn't go away. They kept on consolidatin

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 13:40, Shaddi Hasan wrote: > I must have missed this discussion, but could someone point me to some > threads where this conclusion was reached, or what some of the rationale > was? Not trying to argue just trying to understand. The first two that come up in a search of

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Shaddi Hasan
I must have missed this discussion, but could someone point me to some threads where this conclusion was reached, or what some of the rationale was? Not trying to argue just trying to understand. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Chuck of ShelbyBB was able to get rid of the K

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Chuck of ShelbyBB was able to get rid of the Kentucky one. As far as I know every other state has yet to build the immunity to the disease. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
$500/customer doesn't seem that bad. Someone tried to get me to pay $1500/customer for a network that needed a lot of work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "MDK" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Been lots of discussion about this. Without repeating all that discussion, I think the conclusion has been, "bad for us". Telco tool. Chuck On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for us? > > My state hired them for the m

[WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Has anyone determined whether Connected Nation is good or bad for us? My state hired them for the map, but I don't want to respond with any information if the things I heard in the past are still true. I don't remember the points, I just remembered that they were bad news, so to avoid them. Th

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
10 months only if the $49.95 is pure profit. Presumably the ROI is really more like 40 months assuming you keep the customer for that long. That or I'm having a brain melt-down and confusing something. There was just recently (in the past week or so) a long discussion of valuations on the WISPA

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Blair Davis
assuming a monthly of $40 or so it doesn't seem out of line... A good starting point, IMHO is 1x yearly revenue. MDK wrote: There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his networ

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
At 50/mo an ROI of 10 months you would need 90%+ profit. If the current owner is getting that I don't think he'd be wanting out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albe

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
If you're buying the customers what you should look at is the revenue. At $41.67/mo/customer (or $500/customer) buyout seems very steep. If he's looking to get out and has no other options I am certain you can lower that price. Also express that a "network" of Ubnt, lots of private IPs, and a ha

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread Chuck Profito
Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of income? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and

[WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-16 Thread MDK
There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant from me, and he's wanting to get out. He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he quoted me a price for his network.Not "the customers" but just "the network" and the customer owns his o

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread MDK
The universal answer to all questions. I had all but forgotten it... Thanks! now, if I could just remember -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Broadband compared to electricity of the early 1900's

2009-12-16 Thread Gary Garrett
I am told it is the fluoride in the water. > > What is it that blocks so many people's minds from objectively evaluating > the performance of government just as they would wireless equipment, an > anti-virus, a car, a can opener, or even safety gear? It's some kind of > religion?Maybe

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice > 42 is the answer. > > -Original

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

2009-12-16 Thread os10rules
Technically speaking? What about politics? : - ) Greg On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I don't believe there is an official answer. I believe "professional" > simply means someone that knows their rear from a hole in the ground. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Com