Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Jayson Baker
I don't think I ever got a response to my question though... what *does* it matter? We were the first broadband ISP in our area in 2001. We were one of the first ISPs to use (5.7) Canopy. One of the very first to deploy 2.4GHz. One of the very first to deploy 900MHz. We saw the writing on the

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
It's not anti-capitalistic, you just happen to be the wrong capitalist! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Questi

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Oh boy... here we go... Just a few weeks ago we tried to track down Jayson on the Motorola mailing list (because several people had issues of knowing where his expertise and experience was coming from). We have never been able to get an idea of how many subs, his real website, company name or a

Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement

2010-01-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We tried to use the same contract that we got from a tower owner that uses it with Verizon, AT&T and Nextel for a city water tower we wanted on. They had issues with several of the items, and it took 2 months to get all the details worked out (with their attorney no less). Travis Microserv

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread RickG
Jayson, You dont offer speed packages? I cant find your website at www.spectrasurf.com? -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West >wrote: > > > What's your average

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread RickG
It depends. I've always been an optimistic person and things are coming together well here, but, I'm very concerned about the way our government has become so anti-capitalistic. On the positive note that I think the current congress is gonna get fired in next Novemenber's election I'd choose B. I m

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Jayson Baker
I'm not the one seeing issues. :-) Unless you mean, my overall usage isn't matching our overall new sub count. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > That might be where you're seeing the issue. > > What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? > How many custo

Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement

2010-01-04 Thread RickG
You're welcome! LOL, I've been using that contract for the past few years with no issues. But, tonight, I got beat up by a local town council for several clauses in there. Go figure! -RickG On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: > Rick- > Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it!

[WISPA] Service in Kingfisher, OK

2010-01-04 Thread Pat Nix
Anyone serving the area in or around Kingfisher in western Ok.? Have a potential lead. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

[WISPA] Greenup IL

2010-01-04 Thread Blake Bowers
Got a business customer needing wireless internet service in Greenup IL, at a tower site. (meaning if you are in an adjoining area, a link could be possible at a decent elevation) up to a T1. They don't really need a full T-1, It is basically two VoIP paths and possibly a weather station, but th

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
And that, my friend, is what I was thinking. That's crazy fast for most of us. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Josh Luthman
MDK has the problematic bandwidth hogs, not Jayson... On 1/4/10, Marco Coelho wrote: > That might be where you're seeing the issue. > > What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? > How many customers do you typically have per AP? > > mc > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jay

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Marco Coelho
That is why logs were invented. We authenticate through radius and PPPoE. I know every IP at all times. Mc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Robert West wrote: > The government is always mad at me for one thing or another.  I NAT as well, > saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's.  They can be m

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Marco Coelho
That might be where you're seeing the issue. What is the typical max throughput both up and down of your AP? How many customers do you typically have per AP? mc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > All users get limited at 12Mbps.  Most are capable of 8-10ish. > > On Mon, Jan 4

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Jayson Baker
All users get limited at 12Mbps. Most are capable of 8-10ish. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert West wrote: > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is band

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Josh Luthman
What bandwidth packages do you sell and how do you limit them? On 1/4/10, Robert West wrote: > What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who > offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. > > Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
What's your average speed tier? Maybe it's more noticeable by those who offer slower speeds sue to lack of affordable bandwidth? Just a guess. Yes, I know, bandwidth is bandwidth but someone who is married to their network trying to squeeze each kb out of it will be more sensitive to upward swin

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
Then you, my friend, are in the golden groove of wifi! They just haven't caught on. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISP

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net
We really aren't seeing much of a change either. We are seeing a small number of users using more bandwidth but nothing crazy. However, we have plenty of cheap bandwidth with two redundant fiber connections and 60GHz/licensed connection to tower. Our main concern is the limitation of the APs. S

Re: [WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread Jayson Baker
Weird. Ours is completely the opposite. We keep adding customers by the truck load, but bandwidth only slowly climbs. *knock on wood* Never said I minded, though! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:55 PM, MDK wrote: > I'm seeing the same thing. > > I can literally track it month to month and show the

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Stuart Pierce
I could only wish that some people would know how long one minute was. However Verizon wireless is making the case easier to go to metered billing. -- Original Message -- From: "David E. Smith" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:47:44

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-04 Thread Wallace Walcher
Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such "trash". My perception is they are either people who

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
For 2010, " the short term", I am much more optimistic. Demand is as strong as ever. Technology is evolving, to enable us to better compete. Every day,WISPs are 1 day closer to profitabilty than the day before. But there is also a down side. I'm less optimistic on the "long term". Customer perc

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
The government is always mad at me for one thing or another. I NAT as well, saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's. They can be mad at me a little more, tis okay with me. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Je

Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement

2010-01-04 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Rick- Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it! Helps to have some foundation to begin from. Take care & Happy new year! `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:34 PM To: WISPA Gener

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 14:34, Patrick Leary wrote: > Things like Netflix do pose an interesting challenge to ISPs and I'm not > sure how best it gets addressed. Too bad users don't accept metered use > of their broadband like they do their cell phone use. Sprint, at least, offers an "unlimited

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick Leary
Things like Netflix do pose an interesting challenge to ISPs and I'm not sure how best it gets addressed. Too bad users don't accept metered use of their broadband like they do their cell phone use. Personally, I killed my Netflix now that I can get movies for a buck at dozens of Redbox kiosks out

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Matt Jenkins
The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me... - Matt Ugo Bellavance wrote: > On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote: >> Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for >> throughput usa

[WISPA] Was question: now bandwidth use.

2010-01-04 Thread MDK
I'm seeing the same thing. I can literally track it month to month and show the bill and useage going up each month by far more than the growth of our customer base. In 3 months I've added 25% to my useage. KA-POW! That's one serious bunch of data useage. --

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL What kind of question is that? big grin The short answer is, it depends. I'm much more excited about the technology in use. I'm much more excited about how many customers we can take care of with the same amount of staff etc. Technologically life is better than ever. I'm not excited ab

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Option D for WISPs, Option A for ISPs... increasing bandwidth pressure is getting harder to manage with wireless, but the market is good for any ISPs other than incumbents tellco and cableco. Rubens On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Happy New Year folks. One simple multipl

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
B The market itself is becoming more aware of fixed wireless so it's an easier sell however the equipment costs and ease of operation are now to the point where anyone can purchase, install and blast 2.4ghz at full power in all directions. I see the lowered cost of equipment as a good thing as fa

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 08:47 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote: > For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? > > A - Much more > B - Somewhat more > C - Same > D - More pessimistic I'd have to say "C". I don't see much change in the marketplace. I am optimistic now as I always ha

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread MDK
more pessimistic.All of our futures depend on economic activity, growth and health Sadly, Washington, DC continues to demonstrate a vast wealth of cluelessness... -- From: "Patrick Leary" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:47 AM To: "WISPA

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Randy Cosby
B As far as the "market" goes, technology advances, costs, etc. goes, I'm much more optimistic. As far as interference with free-markets (stuff largely out of my control), I'm much more cautious. Randy On 1/4/2010 10:34 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > A > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBer

Re: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread lakeland
A Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Patrick Leary" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:47:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic t

Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?

2010-01-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Depends on the exact route, but a significant number of those long haul routes are actually full (either technically full or competitively locked up), both domestic and international. Several more cables have been planned and some are completed. Submarine cables are usually owned by several t

[WISPA] 2010: One Question for WISPs

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick Leary
Happy New Year folks. One simple multiple choice question: For 2010, are you more or less optimistic than you were in 2009? A - Much more B - Somewhat more C - Same D - More pessimistic If you'd care to explain your answer, that's be great. Thank, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.42

Re: [WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses

2010-01-04 Thread Bret Clark
I assume you already have your ASN#? Also if you upstream provider has provided at a minimum /24 block to you, (even if it is their block), you can still advertise it via BGP. You'll just need their permission to do so, that way you don't need to renumber immediately while still gaining the benefit

Re: [WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses

2010-01-04 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:01, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm very close to putting my two networks together and will be able to run > BGP. > > We're also in need of some more IP addys. > > Can anyone there help me get through the process of picking up my own IP > space? I've never don

[WISPA] OT, help with ip addresses

2010-01-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I'm very close to putting my two networks together and will be able to run BGP. We're also in need of some more IP addys. Can anyone there help me get through the process of picking up my own IP space? I've never done that and am now ready to give it a shot. A paid consultant would b

Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?

2010-01-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
My guess is that it has more to do with all the fiber that was laid during the lead-up to the dot-bomb...and sold off for pennies on the dollar. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-bou

Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?

2010-01-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Cool. Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down. Brian On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb connectivity from > Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires January 31, 2010 > > Some parts within our country can't get tha

Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?

2010-01-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
deep sigh marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel? > Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb connectivity > from Singapore to Los Angeles for $200