Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-25 Thread Colton Conor
Is there anyway to see this type of information through a Windows based computer. I would like the see the tx and rx bit rate. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Ben West wrote: > Yes, radios will negotiate different rx/tx rates to each other, so up to 2 > distinct rates for a single link. On the

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Mike Hammett
A] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw On 11/13/2014 1:26 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Higher gain,lower power works best,in almost any situation. But not necessarily in-home. Higher gain only comes from a more directive antenna. An "omni" gain antenna has a pancake pattern.

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:42 PM > *To:* r...@sbnettech.com ; WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw > > We are deploying a DSL network, and Broadcom is the leader in the DSL > chipset market. So most all these modems we are using have

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Tim Kerns
, but depending on the other factors above and the client output power you may not see any gain in distance. From: Colton Conor Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:42 PM To: r...@sbnettech.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw We are deploying a DSL

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
We are deploying a DSL network, and Broadcom is the leader in the DSL chipset market. So most all these modems we are using have a Broadcom SoC design with the VDSL2 modem, 802.11N 2x2 MIMO, Ethernet Switch, and CPU all built in. The only thing the modem manufacturers change is the power output on

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
All of the UBNT AC products use broadcom. On 11/13/2014 02:59 PM, Ryan McKenzie wrote: I second what Josh is saying. I build out a lot of hotels and large offices, and because of iPhones and iPads, we've started doubling up on the AP's we normally would deploy. In an indoor environment, it's

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Ryan McKenzie
I second what Josh is saying. I build out a lot of hotels and large offices, and because of iPhones and iPads, we've started doubling up on the AP's we normally would deploy. In an indoor environment, it's really tough to do a very directional antenna because you are usually trying to cover a

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Ben West
Depending on how fancy Broadcom's 802.11 implementation is in devices being tested, there is also the Transmit Power Control (TPC) feature of 802.11h, although that is normally (exclusively?) intended for 5.8GHz band, i.e. as part of DFS. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11h-2003 If t

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Josh Luthman
You are correct. It never will. Rx can only be improved by a bigger antenna to listen with. Antenna gain always has and will be better than raw power. Unless you include the other side's Tx, in which case more power and gain will help. In the Wifi world you're totally screwed because it's a te

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
Awesome, I am already learning so much from this mailing list. So it sound like the author was right. So boosting the power output on the AP will more than likely boost the TX (downlink) speed on the AP side, but do nothing on the RX speed side of the AP since nothing from the clients sending persp

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Ben West
Yes, radios will negotiate different rx/tx rates to each other, so up to 2 distinct rates for a single link. On the open source mac80211 linux-wireless driver you can see this explicitly. The rx/tx on one radio is the tx/rx on the other. root@ap1:~# iw wlan0 station dump Station 52:e6:fc:XX:XX:X

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
In my situation, we are assuming we are dealing with a location with one and only one AP (typical home) and most devices are tablets and smartphones who's antenna's and power output can't be modified. Can be either a 1 or 2 story home. So, how much truth is in this article: http://tomatousb.org/tu

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Jack Unger
Going from 20 dB to 26 dB will allow the AP to be heard (with the same reliability) at double the distance away. Yes. If the client power (actually the client EIRP which includes the antenna gain) stays the same then the "uplink" distance from client

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread John Thomas
You have the right idea. It is only when you increase power on both ends that the distance increases. Tablets in particular only have about 10 - 15 mW radios so that is the lowest common denominator. If you have radios with removable antennas, you can sometimes use different antennas to improve

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
So going from a regular powered 100mw (20db) to a high powered 400mw (26db) is a 6db increase in output power. So you are saying going from regular to high powered is a double in coverage size? Doesn't increasing the power output at the AP only increase how loud the AP can "shout" which in term dic

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/13/2014 1:26 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Higher gain,lower power works best,in almost any situation. But not necessarily in-home. Higher gain only comes from a more directive antenna. An "omni" gain antenna has a pancake pattern. If it's a one-story building, fine. But I ran into the o

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Jason Bailey
Higher gain,lower power works best,in almost any situation. On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:15 PM, Colton Conor wrote: We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only differences between t

Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Jack Unger
To double the communications distance (everything else holding steady) requires an additional 6 dB. Knowing this, you can do the math with the various antenna gains and power levels to determine performance. Regards, Jack Unger WISPA FC

[WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Colton Conor
We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only differences between them are if they have internal or external antennas and the gain of the antennas (either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some sell a