Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-30 Thread Dennis Burgess
- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:49 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > > Dennis, > > Does Mikrotik adequately tak

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-30 Thread Josh Luthman
ispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:49 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > > Dennis, > > Does Mikrotik adequately take advantage of Quad Core yet? And the

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-30 Thread Dennis Burgess
elete the material from any computer.   -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Dennis, Does

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > Josh, > > I would rec

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Hendry
Hey Randy, Any joy with testing ROS on one of these? Would be interesting to see how it stacks up against the RB1000's or the original PoweRouter. P. Randy Cosby wrote: > I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of > demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Hcl is hardware compatibility list On 7/28/09, Gino Villarini wrote: > hcl? > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM > T

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
t; >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:30 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" , "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance >> >> hcl? >> >> >> >> From:

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Hcl is hardware compatibility list On 7/28/09, Gino Villarini wrote: > hcl? > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit fo

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
ISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > > hcl? > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
hcl? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Ya that HCL doesn't cut it IMO. I don't mean offend but when it says 3.0+ wo

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
n behalf of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 6:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > > > > Ros does not support atom > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x102 > > On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:0

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
ros > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 6:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance > > > > Ros does not support atom > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless >

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
funny thing .. we have several atoms mb running ros From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Scott Carullo Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Ros does not support atom Scott

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
we did From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Has anyone had a 1000 hardware problem? Lightning excluded. On 7/28/09, Dennis

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
imho its overpriced From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 7:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Well coming from the rb1000 I would suggest Butch/PoweRouter's x8

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Mike Hammett
VLANs and a VLAN aware switch. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:37 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Scott Carullo Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance I wasn't suggesting a rb1000, what about a rb450g or 493ah? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
great product, just comes up > short on Ports sometimes. > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:49 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Route

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Oh wow - the PoweRouter is $1400 now!!! Ouch! Not sure what Butch's router costs... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance But can't you still buy two RB1000's for the same price as the PowerRouter? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Well

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh wow - the PoweRouter is $1400 now!!! Ouch! Not sure what Butch's router costs... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Travis Johnson
But can't you still buy two RB1000's for the same price as the PowerRouter? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Well coming from the rb1000 I would suggest Butch/PoweRouter's x86 box. 7 gigabit Intel NICs, each on their own PCIe bus, room for a CF card and I believe an ATA port. The key

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Well coming from the rb1000 I would suggest Butch/PoweRouter's x86 box. 7 gigabit Intel NICs, each on their own PCIe bus, room for a CF card and I believe an ATA port. The key differences is the x86 is, IMO, more trustworthy but definitely handles more capacity. I use the PoweRouter 732 with a C

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
We have several rb1000 , need something with ports and must trustable Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:51 PM, "Scott Carullo" wrote: > Why not just use a routerboard in the first place they route at wire > speed these days > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > (321) 20

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
It can route faster then it bridges, however, with connection tracking off a bridge is typically faster. Look at the) perfomance tests from April 2009 at routerboard.com - products On 7/28/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > Well, the 493ah can route 100mb no problem so unless you need to go > faster ove

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
Well, the 493ah can route 100mb no problem so unless you need to go faster over a single radio link out it should be fine. Actually it routes faster than it bridges I believe... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I use a

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I use a 493ah for my tower sites, but all they do is bridge. The config could be done in two seconds - new bridge, add all ports to the bridge. I was thinking if someone is needing an Atom CPU they need more horsepower. I guess it really depends on what you expect out of the router... On 7/28/0

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
I wasn't suggesting a rb1000, what about a rb450g or 493ah? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > RB1000 is $700 - I have always viewed Routerboards as expendable. > $700 > seems too much for an expendable motherboard. You ca

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
RB1000 is $700 - I have always viewed Routerboards as expendable. $700 seems too much for an expendable motherboard. You can buy a really nice Intel Core Duo with loads more horsepower for the same price from Butch/PoweRouter. Don't get me wrong - Routerboards are great, but for something at the

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
Supermicros get along great with ros Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of > demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to > test drive. > >

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
Ros does not support atom Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:06 PM, John Valenti wrote: > Gino, > How many ports? > What have you found for PCIe ethernet? A quick look at Newegg for 4 > ports only shows Intel, at $400. So the ethernet card costs more than

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Carullo
Why not just use a routerboard in the first place they route at wire speed these days Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: > Quite right. > > Especially on a tower. One wants as few ports and cables as > possible. :) > > Jays

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Randy Cosby
I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to test drive. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: > I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not. > I specifically remember looking for that t

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread John Valenti
Gino, How many ports? What have you found for PCIe ethernet? A quick look at Newegg for 4 ports only shows Intel, at $400. So the ethernet card costs more than the server. If you stick with PCI (other Atom motherboards) you can use the cheaper Mikrotik 4port gigE (~$90). Total build cost m

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not. I specifically remember looking for that too... Ignore my initial post! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread John Valenti
Oh, Josh, just realized that MSI Wind computer has no PCI or PCIe slots, nor ATA. Anything you add to it would have to go into USB, SATA, CF slot or miniPCI express slot. So it would be harder to add a second ethernet to this version. If you want to route, it would either be USB ethernet o

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
Well we are looking for a gig capable router - rackmountable Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:21 PM, "John Valenti" wrote: > Gino, > > I'm not so sure about this if it is going in a rack, seems like > it might be worthwhile to get a higher performance CPU with more m

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Right, depends on your application. FFR Vlan is layer 2, routing is 3 :P On 7/28/09, Jayson Baker wrote: > VLAN > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Well the subject included "POP router". Kind of difficult to route with >> one >> interface =P >> >> Josh Luthman >> Of

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Charles Wyble
Quite right. Especially on a tower. One wants as few ports and cables as possible. :) Jayson Baker wrote: > VLAN > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Well the subject included "POP router". Kind of difficult to route with >> one >> interface =P >> >> Josh Luthman >>

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Jayson Baker
VLAN On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Well the subject included "POP router". Kind of difficult to route with > one > interface =P > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Well the subject included "POP router". Kind of difficult to route with one interface =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Ar

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread John Valenti
Josh, You wouldn't need a NIC unless you want dual ethernet (comes with one on motherboard). But you do need to put in a stick of laptop memory and a boot device. Maybe USB flash, IDE<>CF or SATA DOM, because the CF slot is hard to get at. Oh, the one I have says 19V DC power brick, so I don'

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Charles Wyble
Josh Luthman wrote: > I do apologize. Haha. :) Just realize Linux did not have this problem and > those cards are so abundant. Oh I know. I'm well aware of that. :) Linux is awesome. I absolutely love it. Made me some serious bandwidth servers > for cheap at LAN parties... Yes it d

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I do apologize. Just realize Linux did not have this problem and those cards are so abundant. Made me some serious bandwidth servers for cheap at LAN parties... On 7/28/09, Charles Wyble wrote: > > > Josh Luthman wrote: >> I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is Linux after all.

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Charles Wyble
Josh Luthman wrote: > I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is Linux after all. >>From my experience Linux supports every NIC and better then Windows. Anyone > from the 3com 905a or b Win98 era? I had so succesfully blocked those memories until today. Bad Josh! :) ---

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread John Valenti
Gino, I'm not so sure about this if it is going in a rack, seems like it might be worthwhile to get a higher performance CPU with more max RAM (& VMware). And for a box at the base of a tower, seems big and hungry (200W AC power supply). Could you compare it to: http://www.mini-box.c

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is Linux after all. >From my experience Linux supports every NIC and better then Windows. Anyone from the 3com 905a or b Win98 era? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have e

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread jp
Google searches indicate <$300. if the RTL8111C-GR ethernet work well with routerOS, then it's a good little system. It'd also make a pretty nice little server if CPU needs aren't extreme, you don't need 64bit, or virtualization. It's probably pretty easy on the power bill. On Tue, Jul 28, 20

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Gino Villarini
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance Ballpark price? $200? $120 PC + $20 NIC for a desktop one... http://www.newegg.com

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Ballpark price? $200? $120 PC + $20 NIC for a desktop one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however impro

[WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

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