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> Nope, but I know plenty of consultants.
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> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: &qu
Nope, but I know plenty of consultants.
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> Splitting hairs Chuck.
>
> If it'
way to do so I'd do what I
could to get in front of that revenue stream.
Do you consult on such things?
marlon
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Yikes! No fun.
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> I'll put it this way, at one telco I know, a disgruntled accou
/www.ics-il.com
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> Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool
> place. It is now in private ownership - a
ke Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near
> here to that facility.
>
>
> --
&g
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> I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
> AT&T Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for
> federal defense and communicat
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>I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
> AT&T Longlines is
monopoly and to tax
> it. But they did not build the bell system or any of the independents.
>
>
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r 09, 2008 1:01 PM
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> Personally, I feel you cant always have your cake and eat it to.
> Some people
> move to the booneys for a reason.
> If those 30 people really choose to live that far out, do they
> really need
> broadband?
> I can
& Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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> Use magic jack, ham radio, smok
ven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
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> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subjec
That is a very good link. I presume anyone that wanted to dip into the USF
pot filed comments?
I know I did.
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years
later the investigation was done and nothing was amiss. Do you think I want
to risk doing the perp walk?
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>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:33 AM
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>>> The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquir
t; From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago.
>&g
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>
>> Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuc
is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from
> telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
> companies.
>
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>
Chuck McCown wrote:
> It is like sausage.
...
> It is private enterprise socialism administered by the federal govt.
As opposed to "what the market will bear" decisions we evil capitalists
prefer ;)
Randy
WISPA Wa
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> I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have
> never seen him post "babble" let alone "mindless". I worked for a
> phon
It is private enterprise socialism administered by the federal govt.
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> Chuck,
>
> Mo
We are still forbidden to cross subsidize.
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> The FCC had it right with the Computer
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> Chuck, I was speaking about more recent times, not the origination of
> the system and it's beginnings. What I am referring to is exactly what
> yo
d competitive advantage. A huge one
>at that.
>marlon
>
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>
>> C
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>
>> Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay?
Chuck,
Moving off the debate topic a little, I do have an honest question (not
baiting, I promise) I was wondering if you could shed some light on.
Maybe the answer is much longer than can be explained on the list.
How is USF contribution calculated? If I recall, it changes from time
to time,
shortchange you.
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> I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have
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> Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay?
> Keeping in mind that the ph
.
> You do not have to participate.
> Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program.
> That is not a tax.
>
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t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
card today.
>
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>
>> If you are running a hundred mil
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Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays
for USF???
No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from
telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
companies.
Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
> districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
> goods and
or the national budget...
>
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> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:50 AM
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>
>
>>
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not shown any
telephone company to be misusing this money.
And I want to repeat, this i
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
> :-).
>
> Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for
lon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant
> from what I see.
> marlon
>
>
we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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General List"
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> Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
> :-).
>
> Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I
> can't
>
hat USF is being used
to give my competitor a government backed competitive advantage. A huge one
at that.
marlon
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In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant
from what I see.
marlon
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If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
right in the head...
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
It is a cost recovery mechanism. I got audited by USAC this
year to prove
that the USF we receive is to cover
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> If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
> right in the head.
08 8:29 PM
Subject: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just had a dilup customer quit. She went to DSL.
$14.95 for internet and $14.95 for phone line. $29.90 for both! This was
NOT an introductory rate. Good for life. She called to double check that
after we warned her.
Depending on who you
USF!!!
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> Just had a dilup customer quit. She went to DSL.
>
> $14.95 for internet
The problem is... We dont get a piece of the action.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Just had a dilup customer quit. She went to DSL.
$14.95 for internet and $14.95 for phone line. $29.90 for both! This was
NOT an introductory rate. Good for life. She called to double check that
after we warned her.
Depending on who you listen to Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month in
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