Betr.: [WIRELESS-LAN] New cisco 3600 4x4 ap

2011-11-10 Thread Kees Pronk
4x4 imho really what we need given the fact that the 'i-everything' explosion is about 1x1 802.11gn devices. Kees Netwerkbeheer Avans Hogeschool Diensteenheid ICT en Facilitaire Dienst (DIF) - ICT-Beheer Bezoekadres: Hogeschoollaan 1, Kamer HG204 4818 CR Breda Postadres: Postbus 90116

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game Console Wireless Connection Problems

2011-11-10 Thread Palmer J.D.F.
Hi Our RESNET is 100% wifi, for the new intake of 2010 we launched a WPA/WPA2-PSK in halls specifically for gaming devices, access to this was essentially MAC auth, and restricted to the OUI vendor codes for the various devices. We haven't had any trouble with connecting PS3, XBOX, Wii, DS (not l

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game Console Wireless Connection Problems

2011-11-10 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
Jezz, Could you elaborate on how you manage the distribution of the PSK password for such a large population without revealing it to outsiders? -Do you confine it to just a few people? -Do you renew it every year? -How do you deal with University owned devices (projectors, scanners, etc...) that

College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Frank Bulk
http://www.skidmorenews.com/news/information-technology-department-addresses -wireless-issues-1.2691856#.TrvkfkMUqdA This article has some details but doesn't make it very clear if all the problems have been DNS or otherwise, but I thought there might be some people on this list who find this new

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Game Console Wireless Connection Problems

2011-11-10 Thread Palmer J.D.F.
Hi, I can, yes. The key so far has been changed every year, and is issued to a user (university student/staff member) when they successfully register a device that falls into the category of devices that the network is intended for. It is not published globally. It's not the ideal solution but it'

Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Luis Fernando Valverde
Hello, we have four adjacent classrooms (two in front of two and 5 meters between each one) with capacity to 80-100 students each one.Each classroom has its own Cisco Aironet 1240 AG Access Point. When all the students inside the classroom connect their computers to the wireless network, resp

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Ethan Sommer
With almost any manufacturer you can set a max number of clients per radio. You could set the max per radio to 25ish and put (capacity of classroom/25) APs per classroom. On 11/10/2011 10:54 AM, Luis Fernando Valverde wrote: Hello, we have four adjacent classrooms (two in front of two and 5

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
Your problem is probably air time density. The issue is that you only have 3 non-overlapping channels to work with in the 2.4Ghz space, most users won't have 5Ghz-capable laptops, each channel only supports about 25 clients from a practical standpoint, each access point is likely only listening on

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Voll, Toivo
Additional features that are helpful are ones that help dual-band clients prefer the 5GHz spectrum (Cisco and Aruba have their own names for this), and turning off all the low data rates so that air time isn’t destroyed by a few smart phones or bad clients hanging onto 2 mbps rates. Depending o

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Smith, C. Aaron
Was Meru among those tested? I have never deployed them but I did evaluate them a few years ago. This scenario was one of the selling points of their single channel solution and I am interested in knowing how it performed if it was tested. Thanks, Aaron Smith Ursinus College From: The EDUCAU

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Parker, Ron
It looks like the reply-to on the list isn't working right or something. I posted a witty rejoinder to this message and it went only to the original poster rather than the list. Frank has probably implemented an e-mail sender filter as a result. Perhaps our gracious list admin could check and se

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Heath Barnhart
I agree with Joel, 80-100 users per AP is a bit much on an AP. What's the ratio of 2.4 GHz to 5 GHz? I'm not familiar with the 1240 (have a couple but none of them work), do they have any smartRF built in (can they "nudge" dual band clients to 5 GHz)? -- Heath Barnhart, CCNA Information System

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Harry Rauch
We use Ruckus 7962s and have found meshing with a Zone Director to be a good solution; our problem also includes some oddly shaped dorm buildings and found meshing has improved response. Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. Petersburg, FL 33711 On 11/10/11 11:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Luis Fernando Valverde
Hi, Aaron. No, it wasn't tested. Thanks, lf On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Smith, C. Aaron wrote: > Was Meru among those tested? I have never deployed them but I did > evaluate them a few years ago. This scenario was one of the selling points > of their single channel solution and I am int

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Brian Helman
"I just think user expectations of wireless are unrealistic and we in IT are probably not doing a good job of correcting that." It's not that we're doing a poor job "correcting" the opinion, it's that the industry is doing a GREAT job setting unrealistic expectations. When kids go home and get

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Hernán Badilla
The arionet 1240 AG have a 5 GHz radio only for 802.11a. Hernan Badilla INCAE Business School Tel: (506) 24 37 22 75 www.incae.edu On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:22, Heath Barnhart wrote: > I agree with Joel, 80-100 users per AP is a bit much on an AP. What's the > ratio of 2.4 GHz to 5 GHz? I'm n

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Robertson, Joshua A.
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Harry Rauch
Unrealistic or not we have the burden of advancing our technology to match the customer's (read student and parent) expectations. Much of the new wireless has been designed for the multimedia experience; without the industry and customers pushing us we would be satisfied with "it's always been good

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Network IP Dog
What do you expect from Apple Zombie users/clients. If Apple says it true no matter if it's wrong they accept it as true. Nothing replaces copper except fiber. By the way that's the next hurdle "cheap fiber switches"! Anybody done a 2.4Ghz RF exposeure study in college dorms? I wo

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Access points with very low performance when multiple users connect their computers at the same time.

2011-11-10 Thread Marcus Burton
Can you elaborate on the problem that you described as "response time behaves very slowly for several minutes, until the traffic network stabilizes and reaches a better performance." I agree that this is probably a saturated RF link, but I'm curious if the slow responses are during or after auth

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
Ron, Frank implemented his reply-to on his own. There is nothing that we can do to prevent that I believe. (Frank, would you please change that setting) About the article, we are facing the same... people want a "home" experience in their dorms, and the expectations are insane. This said, with

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Justin Sipher
Hi all, I see Frank came across the article from our student newspaper. Bravo as it was "published" late late night. Must be a Google-Alert or something equivalent. :-) (btw that is how I saw it about 5am today also) The student (freshman) reporter did a decent job with the article but with

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Harry Rauch
We have in our internet docs for students that rogue wireless devices that interferes with the dorm's internet usage will be requested to shutdown or the student will lose internet rights for 30 days. Students seem to be more than willing to shut off their wireless router after they are made aware

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Jeff Kell
On 11/10/2011 8:24 PM, Harry Rauch wrote: We have in our internet docs for students that rogue wireless devices that interferes with the dorm's internet usage will be requested to shutdown or the student will lose internet rights for 30 days. Students seem to be more than willing to shut off th

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
If you provide a great wifi coverage and no wired access You shouldn't have to worry about rogues (since there is No port to connect to ;-) Philippe, University. Of TN, Knoxville On Nov 10, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Jeff Kell" mailto:jeff-k...@utc.edu>> wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:24 PM, Harry Rauch wrote:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
In our residential halls we've deployed dual-radio 802.11n AP's at a level where we average no more than 10 people per AP. Moving forward, our new residential halls will move to an AP per suite, pushing the average to no more than about 6. At our peak demand per day, our campus client-per-AP ave

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Brian Helman
Philippe, Do you guys support gaming consoles? Our Wii users can't use our wireless .. no wpa2/Enterprise. And we are throttling (or even blocking) video more on wireless than on wired. You'd be surprised how quickly students plug in when they realize that. -Brian _

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Cappalli, Tim G @ LSC-IT
We pre-authenticate gaming consoles on our guest network (much easier than trying to do it on the 802.1x SSID) by OID and then give them a "gaming" role. Tim Cappalli, CCNA | IT Services | (802) 626-6456 tim.cappa...@lyndonstate.edu | it.lyndonstate.edu

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] College deals with wireless issues

2011-11-10 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
We support everything as long as it matches Our design ( eg we won't reenable 1 and 2 Mbps Rates because a few people cannot join) We have a MAC based SSID (netreg based) for devices that cannot Do Wpa2 enterprise. If gamers want wired access they can order wired on demand.. But they will have to