Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Chuck Enfield
I agree that it's important for students to have network access in their homes. That says nothing about who should provide said access, and little about the specific features required. FWIW, the cost of a robust WiFi network in residence halls is generally so small compared to the other costs

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Chuck Enfield
I could not agree more, but it's important to know what drives performance and coverage requirements, and some vague notion of an effect on recruiting is quite different from specific and identifiable (note I did not say easily) academic needs. For example, academic needs don't justify wide-spr

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Frank Sweetser
My impression (again, anecdotal!) is that wireless doesn't rank incredibly high during their selection process, partially because they're overwhelmed with the process as a whole (major selection, financial aid packages, etc), but also because it doesn't really occur to them that the wireless at

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Chuck Enfield
Thanks John. FWIW, your characterization matches my experience in re the opinions of people in a position to know. But every time I've been able to ask the basis for that opinion the evidence is either anecdotal or it's based on a survey of their peers. This reeks of groupthink. I have my own

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Jake Snyder
The other factor in resnet applications is who is paying the bills. Some campuses require students to live on campus. Others compete directly with off-campus housing for revenue. Still others, housing and dining services are income sources to the school. Poor wireless becomes a student satisf

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Jon Young
Chuck, That's a very fair question and I don't believe there is solid data to support (or oppose) my contention. I can only support my claim by consistent anecdotal opinions of those in the institutional position to know - our stakeholder interviews with personnel in Admissions, Res Life, Student

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Nilsson, Robert
Here’s a link to recent ACUTA report - 2015 FOURTH ANNUAL ACUTA/NACUBO/ACUHO-I STATE OF RESNET REPORT https://www.acuta.org/ACUTA/Member_Services/ResNet_Survey/ACUTA/MemberServices/ResNet_Survey.aspx?hkey=8c787ad7-6a85-4a23-9b8d-37dc26685a41 An infographic goes with it: https://www.acuta.org/acuta

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Chuck Enfield
John, I’ve often heard it said that wireless is important to recruiting and retention, but I’ve yet to find any solid foundation for the claim. This may be because those search terms in Google return so much unrelated information that the good data is hard to find, or it could be that the clai

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Jon Young
We consult with many higher-ed institutions and the question your President has posed about buying bulk data is a real one that many institutions have looked into. We are frequently asked this question (same question for cellular when it is time to replace the phone system) when we assist schools

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Chris Murphy
We are MIT, and we’re not looking into this. :) -Chris == Chris Murphy Technology Consultant MIT Information Services & Technology Room W92-191 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 ch...@mit.edu 617-253-4105 > On May 13, 2015, at 9:24 AM,

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Security Camera's

2015-05-13 Thread Lee H Badman
Typically, either Xalt r5005, or LigoWave of late (huge value for the buck). Lee Badman Wireless/Network Architect ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Security Camera's

2015-05-13 Thread Walt Reynolds
What wireless bridge do you use? Walter Reynolds Principal Systems Security Development Engineer Information and Technology Services University of Michigan (734) 615-9438 > On May 12, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > > We say no to wireless cameras, even the integrators we use prefer to

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Bruce Boardman
Seems like it doesn’t matter who is floating the radio waves, you or and LTE provider, you’ll still be on the hook for support, especially if vpn clients are running on all those client devices. Mongolians? I thought it was Monrovians Bruce Boardman Networking Syracuse University 315 412-4156

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Lee H Badman
Oh yeah… me and all my friends on our channel 2 hotspots. Good times… especially when the local cell cripples and we’ve got so much CCI you can cut it with a knife! “Just call the carrier!” will go over real well with angry parents. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Williams, Matthew
Absolutely, agree. I think the push to AC is mostly a managerial/competitive advantage push. We get to deal with the ramifications. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Consti

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Philippe Hanset
Lee, All you need is a Smart-Phone with a HotSpot feature and a very large Data Quota. (I assume that’s what schools thinking about switching to LTE have in mind!) You can then do WPA2-PSK between your phone and your TV, your Game Console, ... Mongolians don’t have wireless in the plains, but th

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Lee H Badman
Does the carrier guarantee capacity at this scale? And does it matter that no game systems, TVs, etc can play any more? And… students have to use two distinct technologies depending on where they are on campus, and probably have to VPN in for certain operations from the dorm to campus? This sou

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Philippe Hanset
Matthew, I didn’t mean that 802.11ac is not better than 802.11n in many aspects, but more that many of us could live many more years with 802.11n and be quite fine especially if cost is an issue. Thanks, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net > On May 13, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Williams, Matt

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
What is the motivation here? I ask because this sounds like a cost thing. It sounds like the President is looking at 3 hefty expenses: 1. Existing fixed line internet service 2. Wifi Upgrades 3. Staff support costs for Wifi services and is hoping to avoid all three of these by switching to an LT

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Williams, Matthew
Philippe, I see value in 802.11ac running on 40MHz channels. It still plays nice with N and the performance, though negligible, is still better. The biggest complaint that I have about AC is that management hears the sales pitch about how awesome it is at 80MHz and how it will solve all of our

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Philippe Hanset
So the Cellular industry is having seminars and investing big on Wi-Fi offload and some schools are considering LTE offload, what an irony. At the end of the day the cost of providing 1 byte over LTE is much higher than the cost 1 byte over Wi-Fi. (DAS, Microcell, MacroTower, all more expensive

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Mark Elley
Hi Brian, If 3/4G is seriously being considered by senior management then before any decision is actually taken there should be a serious amount of testing (by them) - the term 'eating your own dogfood' springs to mind. I can't imagine using a mifi at home to stream Netflix or to download an Appl

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Christopher Michael Allison
An article I found about LTE replacing services it isn't wifi but it gives a detailed account of how LTE connection was tested. It isn't directly related to higher ed applications but it give a good account of the impact of congestion on an LTE service. http://www.networkworld.com/article/2226

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Hunter Fuller
That sounds extremely painful. I cannot imagine deploying a solution that 97+% of laptops cannot use directly. -- Hunter Fuller OIT Sent from my phone. On May 13, 2015 8:25 AM, "Brian Helman" wrote: > I have a little more information to provide now. I absolutely > appreciate that it will be

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] AW: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...

2015-05-13 Thread Brian Helman
I have a little more information to provide now. I absolutely appreciate that it will be extremely tempting to respond with biased opinions. I don’t think there is anything that can be said that I haven’t already expressed to my team. However, that will not help me write up my recommendation.