Re: [WSG] Some suggestions needed

2004-03-30 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Sorry Gray did I forget it? Here it is... http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0801.htm On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 12:11 AM, Gary Greer wrote: Hi Leo. What was the URL for the tutorial? gary Leo J. O'Campo wrote: So Gary... What is complicating it? Just remember to put a c

[WSG] Desktop Article

2004-03-30 Thread Bradley Wright
Did anyone happen to see the Web Standards article in the latest Desktop magazine? (I have a subscription so I got it earlier than the newsagents) For those of you not familiar with the magazine, it's a primarily graphic/flash design oriented magazine that's generally very high on gloss. It was ni

Re: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column

2004-03-30 Thread Chuck
On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 11:57 PM, Miles Tillinger wrote: Finally a chance for my first attempt at a 100% CSS positioning site and besides using the deprecated align parameter for an input:image, the site validates ok! http://streetdaddy.gotdns.com/astute/index.html http://streetdaddy.got

Re: [WSG] CSS & the Linux documentation project

2004-03-30 Thread Cameron Adams
Well ... you know, the webmonkey.com domain name will be up for grabs soon ... but it's all a bit hush-hush, so shhh ... ;o] -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- russ weakley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, we have seen some amazing stuff come out of > TheManinBlue - auto > acce

[WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey everyone, I have just completed my own Tab layout style in CSS... Sorry I didnt really develop it for show - I didnt even plan it... Like most of my work, it just sort of happened... www.neester.com/tdir CSS: www.neester.com/tdir/water.css dont mind the content. what do you all think?

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Tonico Strasser
Chris Stratford wrote: Hey everyone, I have just completed my own Tab layout style in CSS... Sorry I didnt really develop it for show - I didnt even plan it... Like most of my work, it just sort of happened... www.neester.com/tdir CSS: www.neester.com/tdir/water.css dont mind the content. what do

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread russ weakley
Chris, The tabs looks really nice but Tonico does have a point. If you strip out all css styles, the links will appear in one line with very little between them - making them hard to distinguish on older browsers, browsers that have css switched off or text-based browsers.. Could you convert that

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Chris Stratford
I dont know what you mean by that? but yeah. the tabs are seperated only with a margin... but i tested it out on IECapture and ICapture and it looks great on them all so far! Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.neester.com Tonico Strasser wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Hey ev

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Aw russ... I see your point! One thing - which I have NEVER understood is... Why you people all use Lists? I mean I just dont understand why lists are used for menus... It sounds like a stupid question - beause a menu is a list... But just wondering, why you use them, instead of simply li

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Tonico Strasser
Chris Stratford wrote: I dont know what you mean by that? Sorry, I'll try to be more verbose the next time. I see Russ has already explained it very well. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at ***

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread russ weakley
Keeping in mind that everyone has their own opinion on semantically correct markup, I'll give you my opinion. If they are reduced to their most basic level, navigation links are simply a list of links to other parts of the site. If we assume that some devices will see them without any css or othe

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Andy Clarke
Chris Comrade, there are many fantastic resources that deal with converting lists into 'tabbed' navigation. Places to start might be; http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/index.htm http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ http://labs.silverorange.com/archives/2003/september/simplecsst

[WSG] a QUICK HELPER - BRAIN IS DEAD AFTER 14 HOURS

2004-03-30 Thread theGrafixGuy
I have a php define that I want to add in include as well - How??? blah blah');?> I want to put in I do this blah blah');?> And it breaks What Am I missing here??? Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http:

Re: [WSG] a QUICK HELPER - BRAIN IS DEAD AFTER 14 HOURS

2004-03-30 Thread Tim Lucas
Answered off list. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

RE: [WSG] Some links...

2004-03-30 Thread Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN
Nice Templates, but my German is a little shaky at best -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ weakley Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:30 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Some links... New css layout resources: http://intensivstation

[WSG] IE doesn't like my positioning

2004-03-30 Thread Barbara Dozetos
Hello all -- This is probably a really simple thing, but I'm growing incapacitated by my frustration. Working on the layout with dummy text and it looks great in Firefox, but IE says ut-uh. Can someone take a look and tell me what stupid mistake I've made? http://www.pcc.com/clients/uc/welcom

Re: [WSG] IE doesn't like my positioning

2004-03-30 Thread Jeremy Flint
I am going to guess it has something to do with the fact that you start your HTML document twice. - Jeremy Flint www.jeremyflint.com Barbara Dozetos wrote: Hello all -- This is probably a really simple thing, but I'm growing incapacitated by my frustration. Working on the layout with dum

[WSG] CSS issue in Opera (Win)

2004-03-30 Thread theGrafixGuy
Title: CSS issue in Opera (Win) Hi all, I am building Zen Cart, and thanks for the suggestion!!! I have noticed a problem though – in the footer every cart I have seen using a footer with a border, the right border disappears on the footer and footer top. Here are 7 example sites and you w

Re: [WSG] IE doesn't like my positioning

2004-03-30 Thread Robert Moser
Barbara Dozetos wrote: Hello all -- This is probably a really simple thing, but I'm growing incapacitated by my frustration. Working on the layout with dummy text and it looks great in Firefox, but IE says ut-uh. Can someone take a look and tell me what stupid mistake I've made? http://www.p

Re: [WSG] Thank you for the great tutorial was... Some suggestions needed

2004-03-30 Thread Sarah Sammis
> Sorry Gray did I forget it? Here it is... > > http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0801.htm > > I'm in the process of completely redoing my site. Step 1 is just to get all the pieces looking similar. Step 2 will be to completely revamp it with CSS and this tutorial will come in hand

Re: [WSG] IE doesn't like my positioning

2004-03-30 Thread Barbara Dozetos
No, you're just seeing the result of a server-side include there. IE doesn't have a problem with that, or none of our Web site would ever work. :) Is there something about right margins, maybe? The div that creates the far left column with the logos in it works fine with left, right and top

Re: [WSG] IE doesn't like my positioning

2004-03-30 Thread Barbara Dozetos
Thanks! Believe me, I know there's lots more to be dealt with. I inherited this site when I took the job and found that there had been no single person in charge of the site. We're definitely starting from scratch with a redesign, but we have to keep putting bandaids on the existing site unt

[WSG] How to do some things

2004-03-30 Thread Vaska . WSG
Hi WSG... I've searched through my email archives and I can't dig up a good discussion on this, although I know that it must exist someplace in here. I'm trying to find a method for showing/hiding layers using CSS which doesn't use javascript if it's possible (?). Ideally, a layer (let's cal

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

2004-03-30 Thread Luc
Good evening russ, It was foretold that on 30-3-2004 @ 23:43:07 GMT+1000 (which was 15:43:07 where I live) russ weakley would write: rw> So, it should not be TOO hard to convert your nav system into a list. All rw> you have to do is overcome the default behaviour of the list first. This is

[WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the page needs to keep track of which link has been pressed, for instance...something that CSS is not meant for... Patrick Patrick H. Lau

[WSG] :hover and accessibility

2004-03-30 Thread Robert Moser
How do screen readers handle the :hover pseudoclass? The main reason I'm wondering is in regards to CSS flyout menus. Typically these involve changing a display: none; on the normal element to a display: block; on the :hover pseudoclass of that element. FIR was deprecated due to poor behavior o

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Bill McAvinney
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript Š However, you can "show/hide" text (and in some browsers images) using hover as shown here: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html and here: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html This isn't what you asked for,

[WSG] [OT] World Wide Web Conference

2004-03-30 Thread aaron . webb
Title: [OT] World Wide Web Conference Can anyone give me feedback on the World Wide Web Conference (www.www2004.org).  I was thinking about going but would like to know if anyone has ever been to it.  It was kind of hard to tell from the website everything that is going on and what it is like.

Re: [WSG] :hover and accessibility [Virus checkedAU]

2004-03-30 Thread Mark . Lynch
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Rob, One of the things I tend to use wherever I use a :hover is a similar :focus (Not supported in IE) - this gives a similar effect when you are tabbing over elements - For an example see http://markl.f2o.org/ and keep hitting tab

[WSG] Re: CSS not rendering in Mozilla

2004-03-30 Thread Universal Head
Thanks for the help on this. It's working ow, though I'm very confused as to why to tell you the truth. I asked my host about the MIME type and he said it was set to text/css (his server software is Webstar btw). Yet it still wouldn't work. It was only after he flushed the server cache that it sudd

RE: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column

2004-03-30 Thread Miles Tillinger
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 03:57 PM, Miles Tillinger wrote: > > > I've managed to get it basically perfect in IE6, but there is small > > 2-3 pixel discrepancy in Mozilla and Opera (haven't had a chance to > > check on Safari yet *shudder*) down the left side of the > right column. > >

RE: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column

2004-03-30 Thread Miles Tillinger
> > Sorry no answer to the problem... But your services div has a margin > left of 197 and your splitter one has a margin left of 200. > The splitter > seems to be pushing out as well in ie5.0, im not sure why that is. > Probably the width of the feature or services div becomes > smaller in ie5

RE: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column

2004-03-30 Thread Miles Tillinger
> On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 11:57 PM, Miles Tillinger wrote: > > > As far as the IE hacks go, ...go to the web site of Dean > Edwards and I > think your find the best solution. http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/ > His script [ie7-xml.css] changes IE to a standards browser. > Copy it from

Re: [WSG] How to do some things

2004-03-30 Thread Justin French
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:21 AM, Vaska.WSG wrote: I'm trying to find a method for showing/hiding layers using CSS which doesn't use javascript if it's possible (?). Ideally, a layer (let's call it A) would automatically show when a page loads, then when a link is clicked it would di

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Patrick It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the a:hover and positioning. Leo On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 04:41 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote: What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the p

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Nick Cowie
Leo wrote: > It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the > a:hover and positioning. Except is does not work in that browser. (you know the one I mean Internet Exploder ) There are a number of tricks you can do with hover and CSS for people using CSS2 compliant browsers ha

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
I beg to differ. If you re-read the thread starter, you'll see that the question was about "clicking a link, and making one thing visible, clicking another, and another one becomes visible". You can't toggle things on/off via clicks, and then let the user move out of the element to do something

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
> And seeing most people use IE, you might as well use javascript. Whether or not people use IE has nothing to do with whether or not they have javascript enabled or not. Available, yes...but not necessarily enabled. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster Universit

[WSG] Progress on Brisbane WSG meeting - quality venue available

2004-03-30 Thread Gary Menzel
For those interested in the potential (embryonic) regular Brisbane WSG meeting, there has been some more progress. Please go to: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/06.htm Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle S

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread scott parsons
Well it depends upon the exact behaviour desired, and the browsers you want to support, but something like this can be done with the :focus, :target or for win/ie the broken model of :active I wouldn't necessarily suggest that any of these methods are perfect, and would reccommend javascript b

[WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Kear
For my own benefit, I have been developing a colour schemer tool, and I’ve put it on my web site for others to use, comment about, help me improve.   There are lots of colour development tools around, I know, but I got into doing my own because all the tools I have known about use _javas

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Lindsay Evans
Michael Kear wrote: > For my own benefit, I have been developing a colour schemer tool, and > I've put it on my web site for others to use, comment about, help me > improve. Snippety-snip > http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/ is the address. (note the > Australian COLOUR not the American COLOR

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Nick Cowie
Michael The right column, has a commnet "This is text in the colour #XX" Unfortunately #XX is the first colour entered, while it does display correctly as the second coloured entered. Nick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsg

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Kear
Thanks Lindsay. Good suggestions. I've changed the method to get already. I haven't paid much attention to error trapping, and that's my bad. Actually I never use the 3 digit abbreviation, so it never occurred to me and it should have. I'll do some thinking about error trapping in the next day

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Kear
Not any more it doesn't.Result of cutting and pasting bits of code huh. Good thing I didn't try and pretend this was a mature ready-for-prime-time tool isn't it. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cowie Sent: Wedn

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions? (Leon's Away)

2004-03-30 Thread Leon Wild
Sorry, I'm away Thurs AM for study. For urgent queries or intranet help please contact Marion on 02 9230 8542 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Leon Wild. >>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 03/31/04 16:58 >>> Not any more it doesn't.Result of cutting and pasting bits of code huh. Good thing I didn

RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread theGrafixGuy
Looks good! Though for sake of presentation style, I'd have it layout the results in a more formatted manner. The results page looks ad-hoc if you know what I mean. Also, if easily done, I'd like to see header examples as well as bold and italic - but that is just me. Brian -Original Messa

[WSG] Layout 39% not 39%

2004-03-30 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Message Does anyone know why on http://development.content3.com/test.htm the left column is not 39% in width?   The column has width: 30%: margin-left: 9%:   Now if you look at the tags above this column you'll see one with a width of 9% and one with a width of 39% and they seem