Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Meraj Rasool Khattak
> Unfortunately, I disagree. If we allowed any topic > related to the Web (i.e. > standards, design, app development, database > engineering, systems > integration, education, etc.) we would have an > extremely wide brief and web > standards would be drowned out by discussions on > other web topics

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Jackie Reid
Firstly I would like to say that the WSG list has been truly inspirational to me and i owe it a humungously huge debt of gratitude. At least 90% of the standards stuff i have learned has come directly from my association with it. I am not a member of any other list or forum any longer, I like thi

Re: [WSG] Re: Site Review and IE5 issue

2004-05-15 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me that Christian Ottosson said on 5/14/2004 4:21 PM: This is an autoresponder. I'll never see your message. Why do you subscribe to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> then? You just asked an autoresponder why it subscribed. You shouldn't anthromorphize autoresponders. They hate that. --

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread theGrafixGuy
I didn't intend to start a civil war here over this. It is the moderators list. What is discussed within the confines of the list I find useful and I also find the input provided by my other peers on the list insightful and helpful as well. With that said, the inside forum provides the needed fr

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread mario
Russ, I'm quite satisfied with the current guidelines, and have found the service to be inmeasurably helpful and informative. Please know that I'm not trying to force change, but I do object to the implication. I'm fine with keeping it on topic, and I was simply suggesting that a more flexible ap

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-15 Thread Kay Smoljak
James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > That said, I *will* try, as it is the only useful browser for OS8 - 9, > apart from Mozilla 1.0x from 2002. I convinced a client on OS9 to upgrade from Netscape 4(!) to Netscape 7. I had to hunt for it - the very latest version of Netscape is OSX only, but

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-15 Thread James Ellis
Hi Thanks everyone for the tips, I'll try them out and report back. If at the end of the day the solutions don't work I'll happily hide the stylesheets from it.. this browser is in the same basket as NN4 - not being updated anymore and population decreasing. At least then the content will be usa

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread russ - maxdesign
> Maybe you should hold a poll again, I believe we sort of had one a while > ago, to me it looked like the outcome was that most people wanted to keep > off topic posts marked with [OT], but I could be wrong there. The general guide for off-topic posts is to use [OT] in the subject. This lets peop

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Taco Fleur
All understood, but it is you who will have to make a decision on whether there are more of the 'too much traffic' or 'too strict' complaints, and from who do each of these comments come from? Do the 'too much traffic' comments come from people that are already more than familiar with web standard

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? THREAD CLOSED - Open it back up! Please.

2004-05-15 Thread mario
I agree, but within reason. If the topic is related to the Web (i.e. standards, design, app development, database engineering, systems integration, education, etc.) then it's on point. A more open forum will only help to facilitate, and bring attention to "Web Standards," which has to seemlessly i

[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

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Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-15 Thread Michael Zeltner
Am 15.05.2004 um 20:36 schrieb Peter A. Shevtsov: Michael Zeltner wrote: but hey, you could do that with accessible flash, that would be cleaner :) Hey! You force visitors to install Flash player. But someone can't do that because their internal company policy, or they just don't know how to do

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-15 Thread Peter A. Shevtsov
Michael Zeltner wrote: but hey, you could do that with accessible flash, that would be cleaner :) Hey! You force visitors to install Flash player. But someone can't do that because their internal company policy, or they just don't know how to do it. I think that image maps are more accessible.

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
Isn't that something of a blinkered view, Felix? I'm sorry your prior experience with forums has been negative, yet I'm senior mod on a very productive forum and have a team of great guys working to help others benefit from our collective skillsets. We don't bother with the SEO stuff; we do bother

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
I know, Russ! ... let's do both :o) I have limited time in my day, as we all have, but a well considered forum would permit topic segregation. I deal with similar on www.gawds.org and our sibling Yahoo! list (which is to me a complete bloody wind-up list but, as you comment, is appreciated by man

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Felix Miata
russ - maxdesign wrote: > Yes, we have discussed forums vs lists on several occasions. Each solution > has positives and negatives. The general consensus is that a forum is not as > effective for sharing and learning as a list - forums are more passive and > people are possibly less likely to go

RE: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-15 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
This is probably a good place to start: http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/ Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James E

[WSG] Shouldn't This Be Embarrasing?

2004-05-15 Thread Felix Miata
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ss/konq-org.png http://www.konqueror.org/ I brought this up in a thread entitled "Source of Computed Line-Height" on news:netscape.public.mozilla.style on April 10. The response I got was that the line-height rule inherited from body into h1 was an inherited computed

Re: [WSG] Re: Site Review and IE5 issue

2004-05-15 Thread Christian Ottosson
This is an autoresponder. I'll never see your message. Why do you subscribe to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> then? -- Christian Ottosson http://christian.ottosson.name/ () ASCII Ribbon Campaign -- against HTML mail & vCards /\ http://arc.pasp.de/

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread russ - maxdesign
Yes, we have discussed forums vs lists on several occasions. Each solution has positives and negatives. The general consensus is that a forum is not as effective for sharing and learning as a list - forums are more passive and people are possibly less likely to go there unless they have a problem.

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Michael Zeltner
Am 15.05.2004 um 13:54 schrieb russ - maxdesign: We get most of our 'too much traffic' complaints in heavy post days. On extremely heavy days we sometimes get people unsubscribe from the list altogether. how about getting wsg up on gmane (http://gmane.org/)? i guess you'd have to be compatible to

Re: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Chris Stratford
Personally I think your system is perfect Russ... I dont mind the traffic, its not a bother, I can filter topics that I have no idea about... And I can read through ones I love... Its just - the AutoReponders are KILLERS... Would it be possible to - not ban people, but temporarily suspend the

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
Russ, In my view your actions are symptomatic of the rise of a Stalinist regimen ... :o) And another thing ... Tell you what though, a forum would be cool. We'd then have intrinsic selectivity. You must have been through this at least 3 times ... But I found it challenging when joining the grou

RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
Bob, Agreed. I now just do XHTML 1.1. There is no 'strict'; just markup. There are countless pros and cons (like the IE xml prelude) but it's helped me get a better understanding of the markup business. There are times when, instead of procrastinating and arguing with the rights and wrongs of a

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-15 Thread Michael Donnermeyer
If you just want to hide certain things from IE 5.2 Mac, then use comments as shown below. You need that \ at the end onf the top comment for it to work. /* Hide from IE5 Mac \*/ ((whatever you want to hide)) /* End Hide */ On May 15, 2004, at 01:33, James Ellis wrote: Hi all Having som

[WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread russ - maxdesign
A note on complaints about the WSG list. First of all, we are happy to hear your complaints, suggestions and feedback. We try to take all feedback on-board, and address all criticisms where possible. However, sometimes there is no happy middle ground. For example, almost all the complaints we rec

Re: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-15 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me that YoYoEtc said on 5/14/2004 5:57 PM: So does that mean if I put "XHTML 1.0 Transitional that any code that is of either HTML 4.0 or XHTML 1.0 will be accepted by validators? I see my validator is presently set at HTML 4.0 Transitional so I assume that means that the

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-15 Thread Michael Zeltner
Am 15.05.2004 um 08:52 schrieb Peter A. Shevtsov: I do not agree about image maps. For example, you have the image of geographical map, and you have to make so, if you click on the certain country area, the page with information related to this country would open. How can you provide this withou