Re: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Phillips, Wendy wrote: The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and the same problem occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and there is no where else for the window to shift to. I can only p

RE: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-07 Thread 7 sinz
lucky it's a promo :p From: "Sean M. Hall (Dante)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Date: 8 Jun 2004 03:39:27 + Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't even officially opened yet) has creat

RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Phillips, Wendy
Title: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Not sure how onkeypress would interfere with other similar links on the page - the link can be tabbed to and therefore works via keyboard only.   The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just one of them

RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
Title: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Hi Wendy 1. Where is #how_work on the page? 2. You should also add onkeypress="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); return false;" just

[WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this method). However, I'm finding that if

ADMIN - OT Re: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-07 Thread Lea de Groot
On 8 Jun 2004 03:39:27 +, Sean M. Hall (Dante) wrote: > I'd like your opinion on these two images (please remember that I'm a > beginner at design). Could replies to Sean on this topic please go directly to him? Sean, This is not a general web/ graphic design list, perhaps you'd like to go

Re: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-07 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Title: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Im having trouble understanding how you think IE7 would be broken?! I wouldnt abuse IE7 to be broken without it actually being released yet. It might shock you ;)   Microsoft have said their putting more time and manpower into IE7 than previous versions...     C

[WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-07 Thread Sean M. Hall (Dante)
Title: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't even officially opened yet) has created two IE 7 Promo Images. Dean Edwards modified the first one (to fit his layout and design) and made it the official IE 7 Logo. http://www.geocit

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Lea de Groot
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:07:36 -0600, RC Pierce wrote: > One question, though: When this table is linearized will it still > make sense? >   => Disk Space => Bandwidth => &c.; => > Bronze => 400 MB => 7 GB => &c.; => > Silver => &c.; => > Gold => &c.; => > Platinum => &c.; I haven't looked at the s

RE: [WSG] Ordered list mark-up

2004-06-07 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Well, the specs appear to have provision for it. Unfortunately the vast majority of browsers do not (yet) seem to support it. Content alignment in the marker box LI:before { display: marker; content: "(" counter(counter,lower-a

Re: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies - (interesting subject line)

2004-06-07 Thread JonathanC
"Indiscrepancies" = cross between "indiscretions" and "discrepancies"? :-) Jonathan Cooper Manager of Information / Website Art Gallery of New South Wales Sydney, Australia http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au * The discussion list for http://webs

Re: [WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?

2004-06-07 Thread Chris Blown
Thats funny Mark.. I happened to hit Froogle by accident after following that link and look what I found.. http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=min-width%20IE&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wf Good to see Westciv in there. eh John? Regards Chris Blown On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 18:26, Mark Stanton wrot

[WSG] Ordered list mark-up

2004-06-07 Thread CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
Title: Ordered list mark-up Hi guys, I was wondering if you could tell me how to mark-up an ordered list using CSS so that the bullets are enclosed in parenthesis, e.g. (a) Text piece 1 (b) Whatever Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry **

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
Henry, Weird, but it works!! Thanks for helping me out. Appreciate that. http://www.maysvillerotary.org/testindex.htm Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henry Tapia Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:56

Re: [WSG] Which *free* editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi As I posted before, let's put these up on the WSG website, not on the list. An archive would contribute better to the group and are the posts are now tending to just take up bandwidth now on the list as we are just getting a pile of emails with links in them. Cheers James Jad Madi wrote: win

Re: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi Netscape 6 is not a stable browser, it's built off Mozilla alpha code (i.e about 0.9) (v7 is a branch off Mozilla 1.1, I believe). There is a thread on this topic about a month or two back with some links to the Mozilla roadmap - try a search at mail-archive.com The "6" was put in for Netsc

RE: [WSG] Non-linking printable text in Navigation Lists

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
This is arguably an obsolete rule. I would posit that it does not apply to cases in which links are contained within completely separate block level elements (e.g. unordered lists' items). It is, however, good practice to still use some sort of separator (pipe, or even a non-breaking space characte

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
> One question, though: When this table is linearized will it still make sense? In the case of properly coded (read: with correct table headings, scope, etc) data tables, meaningful linearisation should be taken care of by the user agent. Don't worry about it...this should not, in my view anyway,

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread RC Pierce
One question, though: When this table is linearized will it still make sense? If I have gathered correctly what Russ and others said in the linearization thread, would it make more sense to have the columnar data in the rows, and vice-versa? That way, when the data is linearized, it will flow as

[WSG] Non-linking printable text in Navigation Lists

2004-06-07 Thread RC Pierce
Is there a trick that I haven't learned yet with regard to WAI Recommendation 10.5; to wit: 10.5 Until user agents (including assistive technologies) render adjacent links distinctly, include non-link, printable characters (surrounded by spaces) between adjacent links. [Priority 3] The reason

[WSG] Ten questions for Dan Cederholm

2004-06-07 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Dan Cederholm is the author of Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook as well as many articles on standards-based design for publications such as A List Apart . Dan also runs the popular weblog SimpleBits , where he writes articles and commentary on the web, technology and life. Re

[WSG] Unordered list problem on IE5.2Mac

2004-06-07 Thread Ryan Christie
Hi list :) I've got every other quirk squashed except this unordered list one. Is there a way to reposition the unordered list while keeping the square bullets where they're supposed to be, or will I have to fake this with a background image? I've gotten the text to move where it's supposed to be

Re: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread Martin Chapman Fromm
Thanks Wish I could post an example, but it's all behind a secure area at present. Here's all the pages prior to log-in http://iis.c-o2.net/index.aspx Some of the pages/links you'll click on will show a few minor problems, which do not exist in most of the other browsers. Generally, the whole

Re: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread Jeff
> > From: Martin Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/06/07 Mon AM 11:44:41 EDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies > > Hi All > > Anyone got any decent pointers for Netscape 6 CSS problems? I'm > finalising a site works great in IE6, 5.5, 5, NS7, Safari, Mozilla e

RE: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Foskett
Martin, Be careful with DocTypes. NS6 adds white-space after objects. Anymore than that I'd need an example url. mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Martin Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 June 2004 16:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies Hi All

RE: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies What's the problem though captain? Jamie Mason: Design   -Original Message- From: Martin Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 June 2004 16:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies Hi All Anyone got any decent poi

[WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread Martin Chapman
Hi All Anyone got any decent pointers for Netscape 6 CSS problems? I'm finalising a site works great in IE6, 5.5, 5, NS7, Safari, Mozilla etc. etc. However, NS6 is simply a mess. Have scoured the web but always draw a blank. Kind regards Martin Chapman Fromm -- Web development, identity and des

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Henry Tapia
Hi all, My first email to the list, just joined a couple of days ago.. Amit, that one looks like IE's rendering of a space character between li's containing block elements ie. , when you have white space between your s (as one would). eg: subitem two subitem three will leave a space between it

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
I tried to add a 'sublevel' to the exisiting lists in order to bring out the second level. Works fine in Opera/Win Mozilla/Win But shows gaps in IE in the subnavlists. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks people. URL: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/testindex.htm CSS http://www.maysvillerotary.o

RE: [WSG] Many Browers in one place

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
Hmmm, neither seem free though :( http://www.browsercam.com/ http://www.vmware.com/ Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Stanton Sent: Monday, 7 June 2004 10:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: R

Re: [WSG] Many Browers in one place

2004-06-07 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Just out of interest, given that Amit was asking about offline software, Browsercam is literally a whole bunch of boxes running different versions of OS and browsers. And it's not (really) free. It's pretty much impossible to *accurately* simulate what browser x on OS y is doing - to do so you

Re: [WSG] Many Browers in one place

2004-06-07 Thread Mark Stanton
http://www.browsercam.com/ On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:19:15 +1000, Amit Karmakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > People, > > My apologoes in advance if this has been discussed earlier. > > I know there are sites that let you test your sites on different > browsers(browsers, version, OS). > > Somethi

Re: [WSG] Many Browers in one place

2004-06-07 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
VMware is my second bet or Virtual PC Camz - Original Message - From: "Amit Karmakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: [WSG] Many Browers in one place > People, > > My apologoes in advance if this has been discussed earlier. >

[WSG] Many Browers in one place

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
People, My apologoes in advance if this has been discussed earlier. I know there are sites that let you test your sites on different browsers(browsers, version, OS). Something like http://browsers.evolt.org/, www.danvine.com/iecapture/ but are there softwares (online or offline) that lets users

RE: [WSG] Ruby - where to learn more and see examples of its uses

2004-06-07 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: Message Phew, I was completely confused until you pointed that out!   "A programming language?!?!This wasn't in ANY of my CSS books...oh my god"   haha     Jamie Mason: Design   -Original Message-From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 June 2004 02:11To:

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
That's a good one Russ, very handy, helps build a mental picture too! Thanks. Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley - Maxdesign Sent: Monday, 7 June 2004 8:08 PM To: Web Standards Group Subj

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
Title: Message Thanks Jeff, I added that, it IS handy! Regards, Amit Karmakarwww.karmakars.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1stSent: Monday, 7 June 2004 4:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:

[WSG] List daddy lecture time (speaking of grumpy list managers)

2004-06-07 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi everyone, Please reply directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOT the list. If need be I'll post relevant discussion somewhere. At the bottom of all posts (well most as it doesn't get added when people send horrible HTML email) there is a link to the guidelines. The link is http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Mark Stanton
Guys Please address all issues related to the running of the list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are really trying to keep the noise on this list down to a mimimum and keep discussion to web standards related issues. If everyone could help it would be great and the list managers wouldn't feel so grumpy

RE: [WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Pepper
I'd wondered at that, Pat. At first joining I was double posting. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: 07 June 2004 11:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S

Re: [WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
hmm seems that things are fine with me On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:44 +0100, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it just me, or does it take a good quarter of an hour for emails > to appear on the list? > > Patrick > > Patrick H. Lauke > Webmaster / U

Re: [WSG] Which *free* editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
winsyntax http://www.WinSyntax.com by the way we are having three threads today for editors :-) On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:38:04 +0200, Kristof Neirynck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > noa wrote: > > > Sean M. Hall AKA Dante wrote: > >> As I said before: syntax highlighting and no automatic inserti

[WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Is it just me, or does it take a good quarter of an hour for emails to appear on the list? Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk * The discussion list for http://webst

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Pepper
Well said, mate. There's no need to convert to divs because you're using a table as it should be used. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Russ Weakley - Maxdesign Se

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
Thank you guys On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:21:36 +1000, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Jad > > That really looks like table data to me & so I think its best to keep > it in tables. Tables are not evil in and of themselves, in fact they > are very useful in cases like yours. Its just w

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
thank you Russ you know what! I feel like you are the only one who can understand What web is and what Web standards is heh Thank you mate On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:07:57 +1000, Russ Weakley - Maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a perfect example of tabular data - it is semantically correc

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
The content you have there *is* tabular data, so you should not attempt to get rid of the table at all. Otherwise, you'll lose any semantic/structural relationships between the headings and the data cells. Incidentally, you should use TH with appropriate scope for all your headings, e.g.: Bronze S

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Jad That really looks like table data to me & so I think its best to keep it in tables. Tables are not evil in and of themselves, in fact they are very useful in cases like yours. Its just when they are abused that the problems start. If I was to improve on that code, i'd start by moving all t

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
This is a perfect example of tabular data - it is semantically correct inside a table. Instead of thinking of ways to convert it into divs, you should be working on implementing accessibility features: id, headers for, summary, caption, etc. A rough example if id's and headers in action is here: h

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
WinSyntax for winsucks BlueFish for mandrake On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:17:55 +1000, James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all > > I have started a new category on the WSG site call "Development and > design tools". I think at this point it would be a good idea for > everyone to login

Re: [WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
well its not bad to perform a search for you :P On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 01:35:46 -0700, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/7/04 1:26 AM "Mark Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=min-width+IE > > So people don't actually answer questions he

[WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Jad Madi
Greetings I'm trying to replace this table http://www.easyhttp.com/temp/plans.html with a table-less layout using only CSS divs no tables any idea how to do it ? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.

Re: [WSG] Hi All

2004-06-07 Thread Nicola CT
Hi Cristhian, thank you for your comments and your time. On which platform did you test my layout? mac or pc? with which version? I have tested it with Firefox on 2 different pc and everithing worked fine. Let me know Cheers Nicola - Original Message - From: "Cristhian Palma" <[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Hi All

2004-06-07 Thread Nicola CT
Title: Message thank you for your welcome and for your comments about my website :-)   I know what you meand about the closing border... it's one of the things I don't like so much in that layout, but I think I'll make the entire content column spanning from top to bottom of the browser windo

Re: [WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?

2004-06-07 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/7/04 1:26 AM "Mark Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > http://www.google.com/search?q=min-width+IE So people don't actually answer questions here, they perform google searches for you? Cool! ;-) Rick Faaberg * The discussion li

[WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?

2004-06-07 Thread Mark Stanton
http://www.google.com/search?q=min-width+IE * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Styling list markers?

2004-06-07 Thread Richard Rutter
On 7 Jun 2004, at 06:39, Sam Walker wrote: How would you go about selecting the markers on an ordered list to style them? I want to style the 1,2,3,4 markers (or in this case, I. II. III. IV. , as i have the style set to upper-roman) with things such as size and color Always a tricky problem thi

[WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?

2004-06-07 Thread Mark Harwood
Im starting to create a Fluid CSS design, which im finding to be quite and arse in IE... But anyways, i've got the basic layout created, but i would now like to have a min-width, but just cant think of a way of getting it to work in IE. So what im asking is... Does anyone know a min-width work ar

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Amit Karmakar
Yes true, but the hover seems to work just fine in IE6/Win I am not complaining! :) Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris StratfordSent: Monday, 7 June 2004 4:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with I

RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-07 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
You now have a problem that it doesn’t look correct in IE5 without the 100%   So maybe do something like – in the actual page:     Cheers   Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Bl