Re: [WSG] Site looks fine when previewing in IE, but messy in IE online

2004-06-21 Thread Jeff Davies
Looks good in Firefox .9. In IE 6 the "For more information contact: " column appears bottom left rather than on the right Jeff At 07:36 22/06/2004, you wrote: Hello WSG! I have been using CSS for text styles for the last few months, but now I want to make my sites with divs and no tables! I beg

Re: [WSG] Site looks fine when previewing in IE, but messy in IE online

2004-06-21 Thread Jeff Davies
Looks good in Firefox .9. In IE 6 the "For more information contact: " column appears bottom left rather than on the right Jeff At 07:36 22/06/2004, you wrote: Hello WSG! I have been using CSS for text styles for the last few months, but now I want to make my sites with divs and no tables! I beg

[WSG] Site looks fine when previewing in IE, but messy in IE online

2004-06-21 Thread Shane Helm
Hello WSG! I have been using CSS for text styles for the last few months, but now I want to make my sites with divs and no tables! I began over the weekend learning the process and working on my first non-tables site. I have been overly excited about the process and everything was going fine un

Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au and theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Tim Lucas
Some posting guidelines and information for Nancy, Amit and all of our new members. Nancy: If your email is to Russ then please send it directly to Russ. If you then find out information which is relevant to web standards and that the majority of this list will care to read your post, then, pl

Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Tim Lucas
Some posting guidelines and information for Nancy, Amit and all of our new members. Nancy: If your email is to Russ then please send it directly to Russ. If you then find out information which is relevant to web standards and that the majority of this list will care to read your post, then, pl

Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Michael Andrews
Thanks Cameron, That will do nicely. I can stick a pixel sized image next to your page scale and I can guess from there what the ems value is. I may even stick in smaller scale divisions in to make it easier. It's visual and therefore not 100% accurate but it will help me get pretty close. Thank

Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-21 Thread Stephanie
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:12 -0400, Tim Shortt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what > is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw attention to the > shortcomings of the site. There is a tinge of irony to reporting about > "

RE: [WSG] THREAD CLOSED - Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Sorry folks, nothing really wrong here but the subject line is giving me grief. Some Government spam filters see ; in the subject and throw it back to me and I'm getting swamped. Stupid really but there you go.   If you must ans

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Hiya, sorry, dont mean to add to the list traffic too much but just wanted to point out that your Mozilla extension added in some of its own styles etc when used to copy and paste those styles Amit. (changed colour values to rbg

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Amit Karmakar
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css I was just going to say that Pete  :) use firefox/mozilla and dig out the CSS with the 'web developer extension. Here you go Nancy.   Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com   http://www.smh.com.au/ Inline Styles from http://ww

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css >> Nancy wrote: >> This seemed like a very interesting meeting, >> would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Hi Nancy, thanks for yr interest :) By 'actual CSS files' I assume you mean for the sites discussed - sm

[WSG] Site Live

2004-06-21 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all Just a quick update to say that http://www.xert.org/ is now live. Many thanks for all the feedback, both on and off line. Any other feedback regarding usability, standards, accessibility etc most welcome. Thanks! Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xert.com.au

Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Neerav
Since the SMH is a public site, the css can be examined by looking at the source by going to www.smh.com.au and theage.com.au -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear

Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-21 Thread Tim Shortt
Stephanie wrote: There are "next page" and "prev page" links further down as well as a "1 | 2" link -- but -- those don't work either if you don't have javascript enabled. I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw a

Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-21 Thread Stephanie
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:31:17 +0100, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found it interesting that the IHT article page does > not work unless you have javascript enabled... > and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting > the third column to move to the next "page") is fairl

Re: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-21 Thread RC Pierce
Then there is the situation of low-cost shared hosting. Perhaps you folks can help clear up this question: Our community sites reside on telus shared-hosting (apache servers) and while I try to 'follow' the excellent advice I find here on the list and elsewhere, we're not getting the results we

[WSG] Relative font sizes - Thread Closed

2004-06-21 Thread Bill McAvinney
Hi Folks, My apologies for the duplicate posts from awhile ago. For anyone interested in the gory details: Eudora puts mail you've sent in an "Out" folder. Apple Mail uses the same word "Out" to refer to mail needing to be sent. In short, import your old "Out" folder from Eudora into Mail and it

Re: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-21 Thread Bill McAvinney
What I'm looking for is a way to have a consistent em based measuring unit across all block elements in a site so that a width of say 10em will be the same no matter what the font size of the text in that block is. Here's a little demo using your example with each element given a left margin o

[WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-21 Thread Bill McAvinney
Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has ideas for a simpler way of dealing with this issue than I have. The issue: I like to set my font sizes in ems. I also use ems a lot to position block elements so that my designs work better as people expand & contract their text sizes. The problem is for

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Nancy Johnson
Dear Russ, This seemed like a very interesting meeting, would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:23 AM To: Web Standards Group Subj

Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Veine K Vikberg
The link on the page is broken ;) However, if you copy the link address and take out the first http:// addy, and the trailing %20 you can download it (what I did) Will read it on the flight over the puddle, have a good one ~Veine At 01:22 AM 6/22/2004 +1000, you wrote: http://webstandardsgroup

[WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread russ - maxdesign
Project Mars - Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Peter Ottery put this presentation together for the Sydney meeting of the Web Standards Group on Thursday June 10, 2004. It outlines the process he and his team used to take the SMH and Age sites from table based layouts to full CSS.

RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
> From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [...] > I'm not sure that we differ on this point. after re-reading your message, you're right. As I skimmed over the 100 odd emails in this list's folder that accumulated over the weekend, I could have sworn you had written MUST NOT, instead of SHOULD NOT. Ah, I

[WSG] Ten questions for Molly Holzschlag

2004-06-21 Thread russ - maxdesign
Molly Holzschlag is an active and passionate member of the Web Standards Project who is dedicated to providing easy-to-access information about Web markup and design via her books, articles, courses, conference events and website Molly talks about her books, standards, CSS vs tables, the IE factor

RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-21 Thread Andrew Sione Taumoefolau
Hi Patrick, > I beg to differ on this hair-splitting point: > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/#text-html > > "[XHTML1] defines a profile of use of XHTML which is compatible with HTML > 4.01 and which may also be labeled as text/html" I'm not sure that we differ on this

[WSG] Some links for light reading...

2004-06-21 Thread russ - maxdesign
Dan Cederholm asked people to send in web standards links for a free copy of his book. 485 people responded. http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/06/16/contest.html In return the community has gained a huge list of web standards links, which Steve Smith has compiled into an ordered list: http:/

Re: [WSG] Mac testers please

2004-06-21 Thread Hugh Todd
Marc, Dropdowns don't appear in Safari (1.2). In IE 5 Mac they do, but don't remain onscreen properly to allow selection. Also in IE 5 Mac, the content area is pushed way off to the right. Probably an inherited float issue. Works well in Firefox 0.9. In Camino (another Gecko browser) no conte

Re: [WSG] Site Check

2004-06-21 Thread Neerav
I can confirm the wierd flashing effect is still there on the new Firefox 0.9 as well. Apart from that the sites "look" is quite nice. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Peter Costello w

[WSG] Site Check

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Costello
Hi, Ive been trying to get my head around standards based design and am putting together a personal site. Ive used the suckerfish menu, but am having a wierd flashing effect on rollover in firefox 8 pc. The content from the grey box at the bottom appears to flash over the menu? Its HTML 4 trans

Re: [WSG] Mac testers please

2004-06-21 Thread Neerav
Marc Heres a handy tip for you. Like you I dont have a Mac that I can use for testing so I use: http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ iCapture - your site through the eyes of Apple's Safari browser to test my clients sites in Safari 1.2. Sure its not perfect but its "better than a kick in the teeth

RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
> From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [...] > XHTML 1.0 strict is still XML, which means that you should not send it > as text/html. I beg to differ on this hair-splitting point: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/#text-html "[XHTML1] defines a profile of use of XHTML which is c

[WSG] Mac testers please

2004-06-21 Thread Marc Greenstock
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to test my site using IE for Mac 5+ and Safari http://www.v2.shockmedia.com.au Thanks. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guideli

RE: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next "page") is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip

Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Cameron Adams
Ems are actually standard units that are based on what font size your browser is set to (in some browsers), in combination with the "font-size" property in your CSS. While this may correspond to the actual width of an "m" in a font, any such correspondence is merely coincidental -- the font type h

[WSG] Bruce Gilbert is out of the office.

2004-06-21 Thread Bruce . Gilbert
I will be out of the office starting 06/21/2004 and will not return until 06/23/2004. I will respond to your message when I return on Wednesday, June 23rd. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup

RE: [WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Michael Kear
There is no direct conversion. You cant make such a conversion. 1 pixel is a unit on the screen. There are something like 76 pixels per inch on a PC screen or 96 pixels per inch on a mac screen. One em is the width of the character "M" in whatever size the user has set as his default font size

RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements

2004-06-21 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Title: RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements Hi Michael Thanks for the feedback. I have used "ems" for all text, except in the body tag, as I found that when I used it there, it looked great on a Mac, but on the PC (IE 5 and 6) the fonts were tiny. Interested to hear your recommendations (eg wha

Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: Hi, Just thought I ask if there is bit of math or a web site that can accurately convert pixels to ems. If I want to size an image in ems so it will scale with text re-sizing I kinda doing it manually at the moment by dividing by 12 a

[WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Michael Andrews
Hi, Just thought I ask if there is bit of math or a web site that can accurately convert pixels to ems. If I want to size an image in ems so it will scale with text re-sizing I kinda doing it manually at the moment by dividing by 12 and guessing from there. I thought there might be a site somewh