[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting 5th August

2004-07-27 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hi Sydney members, The next Sydney WSG meeting will be held on 5th August - Thursday week. Agenda: 7.00pm - 7.15pm John Allsopp WE04 - things are hotting up! 7.15pm - 7.45pm Russ Weakley A web standards checklist How do you know your site is web standards compliant - with a detailed checklist

[WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Ted Drake
I just had an appointment reminder pop-up on my outlook. Today is the day that I'm supposed to put together a list of access keys to use on our web site and the tab index on our forms. For those of you that have put together a chart of access keys for your sitewide navigation, do you have any

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Bent, ...The menu is tested in Opera, Firefox and Netscape and in these browsers the menu seems to work as expected. IE, however, give me an unwanted gap when accessing sublevels. How do I solve that problem? Hope some of you wizards out there can help me out :-) IE has a thing about

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Bent, ...The menu is tested in Opera, Firefox and Netscape and in these browsers the menu seems to work as expected. IE, however, give me an unwanted gap when accessing sublevels. How do I solve that problem? Hope some of you wizards out there can help me out :-) IE has a thing about

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Bent, ...The menu is tested in Opera, Firefox and Netscape and in these browsers the menu seems to work as expected. IE, however, give me an unwanted gap when accessing sublevels. How do I solve that problem? Hope some of you wizards out there can help me out :-) IE has a thing about

RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Owen Gregory
Ted Drake wrote: For those of you that have put together a chart of access keys for your sitewide navigation, do you have any good suggestions? Has anyone written a good story on the approach and maybe even listed a set of default access keys to keep the web fairly universal? Hi Ted You

Re: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi Ted, After looking at numerous articles about accesskeys I came to the conclusion that accesskeys are more bad than good. The only accesskey I use on my site is s for skip navigation (pretty much universal). Anyway this article explains it pretty good

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Siteman DA - Bent Inge
Hi again, Ben! I'm aware of the problem with list items, and it sucks... But the markup (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/designmal.php) can't be changed in order for the menu to work. So the changes has to be made in the stylesheet (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/global.css) So - is

Re: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread James Ellis
Hi Ted I've steered clear of access keys as they cause some problems on Safari etc. After seeing a screen reader in action at a previous WSG meeting in Sydney there are some much better ways it has to directly access content on a page (e.g list links, list headings etc). Cheers James Ted Drake

Re: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Steven . Faulkner
Hi ted, recommend you read (if you haven't already) this article More reasons why we don't use accesskeys: http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37 with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004, at 02:04 Australia/Sydney, Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: I'm aware of the problem with list items, and it sucks... But the markup (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/designmal.php) can't be changed in order for the menu to work. So the changes has to be made in the

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 28, 2004, at 1:04 am, Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: I'm aware of the problem with list items, and it sucks... But the markup (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/designmal.php) can't be changed in order for the menu to work. So the changes has to be made in the stylesheet

RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Geoff Deering
I agree with what Derek says, and he sums it up nicely. I have been using accesskeys since WCAG1 came out mid 99, and can cause more usability problems that provides ease of accessibility. I even use span to underline the key letter to indicate the access key, which is the standard way to show

RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Barry Beattie
They are used to seeing this type of thing in application software, but not on the web. Geoff, from where I sit, I'd have to disagree. people are wanting more out of the web. clients are demanding more functionality in web development than just stuff to read and look pretty. F'instance

RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread Geoff Deering
Hi Barrie, I agree with what you are saying, but the problems accesskeys cause is too much of a headache for the time invested. How have you assigned your keys? Do they clash with default hot keys of the major screen reading user agents? Have you gone through all this carefully? What about the