Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread adam LEAPER
what this email meant for me or what? im confused to why I am getting so many emails? On 2/3/06, Ben Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top

2006-02-03 Thread Karl Dawson
haha, now this is light-hearted education. First grin of the morning (08.21hrs).On 03/02/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a margin: 0px; to the H1 element pushed up to the top. Remember, every time you add units to a 0 value, a web standards fairydies. To avoid this on your

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Alexis
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:14 pm, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Marilyn Langfeld wrote: And Adobe is adding accessibility aids (depends on the designer to implement them though). Worth mentioning though that the accessibility enhancements (like the way that a screenreader can access the content of a

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
I think you're mistaking your experiences of users for all users. I don't know anyone who uses JAWS, doesn't mean that people don't tho. I (usually) like the way that PDF files tend to open in the browser window. Many people I know also are used to this and it doesn't bother them. You

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Jay Gilmore
Ben Bishop wrote: On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of resistance are you facing here? I.e. why are you arguing in the first place? The definition of argument I am

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Ray Cauchi
At 10:47 PM 3/02/2006, Stephen Stagg wrote: PDF content rarely has the _behaviour_ of a web page (rich hyperlink structures/inbound/outbound links, etc) PDF's can and do contain hyperlinks and bookmarks, whether made in Acrobat or dynamically generated via PHP et al... Best Regards Ray Cauchi

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Ray Cauchi
At 10:47 PM 3/02/2006, Stephen Stagg wrote: PDF content rarely has the _behaviour_ of a web page (rich hyperlink structures/inbound/outbound links, etc) PDF's can and do contain hyperlinks and bookmarks, whether made in Acrobat or dynamically generated via PHP et al... Best Regards Ray Cauchi

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-03 Thread Ray Cauchi
Hey Ed You could do http://www.oscommerce.com with the STS Template contribution (see the Contributions page, search for STS) It allows you to completely reskin the tag casserole it ships with...so the Standards savvy bit falls onto your plate - but I haven't seen a shopping cart out there

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Ric Raftis
Jay Gilmore wrote et al.. I'm with you Jay. I live in a small rural community as well and my work comes by word of mouth. I can't start something up locally as most people in town don't even believe people use the internet!!! This is probably where a thread on a forum has more value

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Stagg wrote: I (usually) like the way that PDF files tend to open in the browser window. Many people I know also are used to this and it doesn't bother them. You say that users expect the way to return to web content . A pdf online IS web content, you may argue that what you

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
In most instances, its not a case of trying to convince someone to change their ways, nor is it a case of trying to sell web standards. The real fact is that each and everyone of my clients knows that HTML exists, and that it has something to do with a webpage. My role when talking with them

Re: [WSG] Firefox being naughty

2006-02-03 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Thanks for your replies, I noticed the double flash in Opera as well. I think it's due to some compliant flash code script I had found last year - may have been on a list apart... better go back and check them all! Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076

Re: [WSG] Firefox being naughty

2006-02-03 Thread Hopkins Programming
If I may make one suggestion, you should allow the white content box to either resize vertically or scroll. The text goes a good distance out of the box on my laptop (Default font settings on laptops are 120DPI, vs the Default 96DPI on desktops). --ZacharyOn 2/3/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread White Ash
Title: Message Thanks Georg for the fix ~ I must remember that for future designs! That works beautifully. And Russ ~ so that more and more web standards faeries may live, I have converted all 0px's in my code to 0. I do believe White Ash FIX: Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
Without wanting to unleash too many ponies, I would be interested to know why using 0(px | em | %) is so much of a standards blunder.  I'm sure there some obvious answer but for the life of me, I can't think of one :).If this has already been done to death on the list, please forgive me and email

Re: [WSG] Websites in Different Languages

2006-02-03 Thread Hopkins Programming
In addition to making sure that all of the Doctypes and header information shows that its Japanese, you may look into Apache's multiple language support (If you're using Apache, that is). Resources: Multiple language support with the Apache webserver Apache Module mod_mime --ZacharyOn 2/3/06,

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread Mark Hine
I think the reasoning is to maintain compatability with relative units. So then with em and %, zero = none, as a referent. And for fixed unit measurements, like px, it really makes no difference (0 = 0), which is why I believe in the standard it specifies units as /optional/ after zero. I

RE: [WSG] Websites in Different Languages

2006-02-03 Thread Ted Drake
You may find some practical advice here: http://www.chin.gc.ca/English/index.html the Canadian Heritage Information Network. Canadian sites that are sponsored by the government are required to be bilingual. This network offers support to Canadian museums and other non-profit organizations. I

[WSG] IE7 hacks

2006-02-03 Thread Ted Drake
Hi everyone I posted a hack to IE7 today. I know I'm not the first one to find this, but thought I'd throw it out there for all to love on. www.tdrake.net It's pretty simple. But please, think beyond hacks. Ted Drake www.tdrake.net ** The

Re: [WSG] IE7 hacks

2006-02-03 Thread Jay Gilmore
Ted, Thanks for the post. Do we even know if the Beta 2 css rendering engine is done though? Does it make sense to be considering hacks yet? I have layout issues with current sites due to hacks for 6 and I will definitely wait before I change them as I don't think that the rendering

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Joshua Street
Yes, but can you use an anchor fragment to link to a point in an Acrobat document? The other thing is why would we even bother with that when we have hypertext? On one site I did recently, the client wanted a PDF brochure with _identical_ information to what was in hypertext included. The PDF

RE: [WSG] IE7 hacks

2006-02-03 Thread kvnmcwebn
jay wrote, Does it make sense to be considering hacks yet? Well someone here (no names :) told me a while back that the *hmtl hack was ie future proof so maybe not. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] IE7 hacks

2006-02-03 Thread Joshua Street
On 2/4/06, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well someone here (no names :) told me a while back that the *hmtl hack was ie future proof so maybe not. Well, it is. It's not going to affect any more versions of Internet Explorer (this has been known for some time now), hence any rules you put

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread russ - maxdesign
Without wanting to unleash too many ponies, I would be interested to know why using 0(px | em | %) is so much of a standards blunder.  I'm sure there some obvious answer but for the life of me, I can't think of one :). It's definitely not a standards blunder to add units to a 0 value, just

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread russ - maxdesign
Just to be clear, unitless non-zero values are appropriate for line-height http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-line-height and are generally preferred, since computed values are not inherited. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/line-height-inherit.html A good point, Felix. Also

Re: [WSG] IE7 hacks

2006-02-03 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 4 Feb 2006, at 3:25 am, Ted Drake wrote: I posted a hack to IE7 today. I know I'm not the first one to find this, but thought I'd throw it out there for all to love on. www.tdrake.net It's pretty simple. But please, think beyond hacks. I'll file a bug report for that parsing bug :-)

[WSG] Re: Websites in Different Languages

2006-02-03 Thread Andrew Cunningham
White Ash writes: I've designed a website, and we're going to be making an almost identical Japanese version. I'm not sure what is involved ~ is it as easy as including the following at the top of the document: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN