[WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
Got my information from ' http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html ', the article is called a technical discussion about CSS. Tried these CCs in multiple ways, but it does not work. For example: ... link rel=stylesheet title=compact type=text/css href=stylesheets/layout.css

Re: [WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Soeren Mordhorst wrote: !--[if IE 6] link rel=stylesheet href=stylesheets/ie5xstyles.css type=text/css / ![endif]-- This one should link to a CSS file for IE6, not IE5.x, but I'll assume that was just a typo and you meant something like ie6xstyles.css. So what I need are three css-files:

Re: [WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/20/06, Soeren Mordhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried these CCs in multiple ways, but it does not work. For example: ... Any suggestions? As far as I know, if you have standalone installs of IE 5 and 6 on your machine, they will not see the conditional comments. -- -- Christian Montoya

RE: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Taco Fleur
As I said, I tried that, excluding the hack (which is the text in blue), didn't work for me. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - CEO Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . *

Re: [WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
Dear Lachlan, this was realy a typo. Still it does not work. The link to the site is: http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/test.html CSS-files: http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/stylesheets/layout.css http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/stylesheets/iestyles.css

Re: [WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
yes Christian, the old IE-browsers are standalones ... Is it possible to install older versions of IEs next to a new one? Tried to install IE7beta as a standalone, but after that IE6 is not working anymore. For installation I followed an article of sitepoint IE7: The 'IEagle' has Landed

[WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi! I read a lot of threads about font-sizing lately, but I still did not catch the point of best practice yet. I use to set the body font-size to 62.5% for getting 1em = 10px at default settings. (It's much easier for me and the browser to calculate round values...) Then I increase

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Martin Heiden wrote: I read a lot of threads about font-sizing lately, but I still did not catch the point of best practice yet. I use to set the body font-size to 62.5% for getting 1em = 10px at default settings. Eek! Never rely on default settings, many users will change them. So if a

RE: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lachlan Hunt but lot's of people (mostly designers) who prefer smaller font-sizes. It's unfortunate that so many designers prefer small font sizes. They fail to realise that while they may think small fonts may look good from a design perspective and are easily readable on their

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... Yes, we as developers can educate them, but when they see their competitor sites (and even big sites from the likes of IBM and co.) *all* setting a slightly smaller default font size, they expect the same on their site as well. A yes, but all those other sites are wrong and I do it the

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Steve Olive
Default font sizes also depend on the cultural background of the viewers/users. The default setting on Windows works out to be the same size as Times New Roman 10 pt when printed on Letter size paper. Australian's prefer default sizes of Times New Roman 12 pt when printed on A4 paper. I

Re: [WSG] problem with Conditional Comments

2006-02-20 Thread Jay Gilmore
Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/20/06, Soeren Mordhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried these CCs in multiple ways, but it does not work. For example: ... Any suggestions? As far as I know, if you have standalone installs of IE 5 and 6 on your machine, they will not see the conditional

[WSG] Fwd: MEDIDAS CONTRA A NOVA LEGISLAÇÃO AMERICANA SOBRE INTERNET

2006-02-20 Thread Côcu
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Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread russ - maxdesign
people that use the Internet world wide. Consider this: the number of people that visit my relatively small site every single day would be more people than I've met in my entire life time, so it's hardly... This could be read in two ways. You have a hugely popular site, or you need to get out

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Kim Kruse
Russ Gentle-persuasion-free-styler riding a mad Shetland pony ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/20/06, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, I don't know anyone who changed the default font-size in his/her browser, but lot's of people (mostly designers) who prefer smaller font-sizes. Well, the question is: Which group of people is more important? Or

[WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread David Nicol
Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine. Today I received a call from someone saying that the site would not display correctly.

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Ian Anderson
David Nicol wrote: I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ ... This person was using IE6, on a brand new laptop. Site looks fine on Windows XP SP2, IE6 Could it be that one of the CSS files failed to load properly for this user -

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi, on Monday, February 20, 2006 at 12:57 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: A far more fundamental group of people (which I already mentioned in my first email on this discussion) is of course that of the clients who pay for web design/development. That's one point. The other problem that I

Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Jan Brasna
I don't see any text in blue at the (later) link i posted. Are you sure you tried the right example? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Christian Montoya wrote: Most users might say that the site is unusually big but very comfortable on the eyes, and that's not a bad thing. However, with many clients, it won't even get to live stage unless their wishes for smaller font size is implemented. In the end there's no reason to

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Felix Miata
Lachlan Hunt wrote Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:32:22 +1100: IMHO, any smaller than 'small' (approx 82%) is too small for main body copy Title the following 'The meaning of small'. It's simply a collection of facts and observations about CSS small. The CSS2 spec recommended a 1.2 factor between

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Designer
David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine. Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread David Hucklesby
Martin Heiden wrote: I use to set the body font-size to 62.5% for getting 1em = 10px at default settings. ... Martin, you may like to consider the effect of defining a small font size on the BODY element. Georg Sørtun did some experiments that illustrate the problem:

RE: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Taco Fleur
I went here: http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html Legend for colors: CSS styles for every browser CSS styles for standard browsers CSS style for Internet Explorer only (with underscore hack) Kind regards, Taco Fleur - CEO Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851

Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Jan Brasna
So please read again this http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg26051.html. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Stephen Stagg
Tho I haven't checked it, sounds like the user had Images disabled in IE6. On 20 Feb 2006, at 20:02, Designer wrote: David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Lachlan Hunt
russ - maxdesign wrote: people that use the Internet world wide. Consider this: the number of people that visit my relatively small site every single day would be more people than I've met in my entire life time, so it's hardly... This could be read in two ways. You have a hugely popular

RE: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Taco Fleur
?? This confusing; http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/priklady/vertical-align-valid-solution-en.html leads to a page that displays the sample from http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html and on that page there is a link to - Please view source for details or read

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread David Nicol
Hi again, Thanks for your help. Although I have not yet been able to verify what caused the problem, I'm glad that no-one else seems to be having the same issues. Cheers David

[WSG] Re: site check: FONT sizes

2006-02-20 Thread Tom Worthington
At Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:52:15 +0100 Vincent Hasselgård wrote: About 4-5 months ago they built a new national library here in Norway, the architects worked alot with making the place accesible for users with different disabilites. Essentially they did everything wrong. ... high-contrast art on

Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle

2006-02-20 Thread Jan Brasna
is that the one you want me to read? You can read the principles of this trick there, but use the clean solution you can find if you view the source of the exact page I posted. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Mike Brown
Lachlan Hunt wrote: russ - maxdesign wrote: Could it not be argued that the unimportant legal content is sometimes more important to some users than the general content on the page? :) I'm sure there are some that think such notices should be shown in large bold letters, read and agreed to

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Harris
Mike Brown wrote: Russ I think you need to do some research on porn site best practices here and report back to the list :) Mike never visited a porn site so wouldn't know sarcasm class=tuiYeah, right/sarcasm :-p ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Bert Doorn
David Nicol wrote: I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ ... Does anyone else get the same problem as this user? I can (almost) replicate it. Accessibility options (ignore colors, font styles, font sizes) ticked and text size

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Terrence Wood
http://www.visitshetland.com/ interesting url given, the running joke about shetland ponies on this list right now. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread James Hunter
Hi All, I'm working on site with a large amount of content that can get up to 5 levels deep. With a breadcrumb such as: My Site Developers Resources Specific Resource I've been reading this: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#document-headers Specifically I would like some

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread russ - maxdesign
I want to use the name of the site in the H1. Is it appropriate to use the breadcrumb as the H1 element? I'd say it is better to use the h1 element for the site name as an initial statement then use something like an ordered list or unordered list for the breadcrumb: h1 Site name /h1 ol

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread Doc
James,I'd suggest this guideline refers to the body content of a page rather than navigational elements. If it were me, I wouldn't wrap an H1 around the breadcrumbs (or part thereof). I would reserve the use of H1, H2 etc for page headings, section headings, bylines, sub-section titles etc only.

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread James Hunter
Thanks Russ, and Steve thats 2 no's I don't need any more convincing. I'll leave the site name as the first heading. Cheers, James -- James Hunter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread Terrence Wood
James Hunter: Is it appropriate to use the breadcrumb as the H1 element? Breadcrumbs do not describe the *document* structure - they hint at the *site* structure (provided you only provide a hierarchal navigation system) or site history (depending on what type of breadcrumb you employ).

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread Jay Gilmore
Terrence Wood wrote: James Hunter: Is it appropriate to use the breadcrumb as the H1 element? I'm thinking out aloud here: not sure why, but using a list for breadcrumbs doesn't quite sit right with me, despite it being a type of navigation device. I think it is due to list structures

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 21/02/06, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking out aloud here: not sure why, but using a list forbreadcrumbs doesn't quite sit right with me, despite it being a type ofnavigation device. I think it is due to list structures replacing thedir and menu elements - and the notion that

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-20 Thread Kevin Futter
On 21/2/06 12:31 PM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Hunter: Is it appropriate to use the breadcrumb as the H1 element? Breadcrumbs do not describe the *document* structure - they hint at the *site* structure (provided you only provide a hierarchal navigation system) or site

[WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-20 Thread Kat
I never thought the day would come when there actually was a legitimate use for pop-ups! It's legitimate to use pop-ups, if a court judge orders you to :) http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18214048%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html Kat :)

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-20 Thread heretic
I never thought the day would come when there actually was a legitimate use for pop-ups! It's legitimate to use pop-ups, if a court judge orders you to :) http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18214048%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html I suspect the judge is confused about pop ups versus

RE: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-20 Thread Scott Swabey
Kat wrote: I never thought the day would come when there actually was a legitimate use for pop-ups! It's legitimate to use pop-ups, if a court judge orders you to :) http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18214048%5E15306%5E%5Enb v%5E,00.html Hardly legitimate, and a very poor

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-20 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Kat wrote: I never thought the day would come when there actually was a legitimate use for pop-ups! I'm still waiting for that day. It's legitimate to use pop-ups, if a court judge orders you to :) http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18214048%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html No,

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-20 Thread Artemis
Original Message From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:[WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups Date: 2/20/2006 21:24 There may be other ways to force upgrading without using a popup and the actual implementation is irrelevant from a legal

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Bert Doorn wrote: David Nicol wrote: http://www.visitshetland.com/ Does anyone else get the same problem as this user? I can (almost) replicate it. Accessibility options (ignore colors, font styles, font sizes) ticked and text size increased gives something very similar.