Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Sarah Peeke wrote: So, if the HTTP headers are "changed along the response chain from server to client" what is the likely outcome? Where would the user be directed in this case? The user is not directed anywhere, it's just that - in the case we're discussing - the receiving page can't deter

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Hassan Schroeder
changed along the response chain from server to client they can't be relied upon. Other way 'round. Referer is a Request header, (optionally) originated by the client. But even user agents that provide one may have it stripped from the Request by "personal fire walls", proxies, etc. But sinc

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:58:52 +1100, Sarah Peeke wrote: > So, if the HTTP headers are "changed along the response chain from > server to client" what is the likely outcome? Where would the user be > directed in this case? HTML doesn't care. Its possible to write server-side code that generates di

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
On Jan 22, 2008 3:58 PM, Sarah Peeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, if the HTTP headers are "changed along the response chain from > server to client" what is the likely outcome? Where would the user be > directed in this case? That depends on the application. It's not a required field, but tha

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Chris Knowles
Sarah Peeke wrote: > So, if the HTTP headers are "changed along the response chain from > server to client" what is the likely outcome? Where would the user be > directed in this case? the http referer is just the uri of the page that referred you to the current page you are on. So if you are on

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Sarah Peeke
On 22/1/08 1:37 PM, Chris Knowles wrote: Referer is just one HTTP header - it is separate from response codes (200, 404 etc) and other headers. No error is thrown if it's not present so content is passed on as normal. But because HTTP headers can be changed along the response chain from server to

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Chris Knowles
Chris Knowles wrote: > Sarah Peeke wrote: >> Hi Martin and others, >> >> On 19/1/08 1:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: >>> 2. HTTP-Header Referrer - may be supressed by proxies/firewalls or the >>> user >>>You can access it via (PHP|Java|ASP|...) or by JS document.referrer >> Just out of interest, w

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Chris Knowles
Sarah Peeke wrote: > Hi Martin and others, > > On 19/1/08 1:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: >> 2. HTTP-Header Referrer - may be supressed by proxies/firewalls or the >> user >>You can access it via (PHP|Java|ASP|...) or by JS document.referrer > > Just out of interest, what happens when HTTP-Head

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Sarah Peeke
Hi Martin and others, On 19/1/08 1:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: 2. HTTP-Header Referrer - may be supressed by proxies/firewalls or the user You can access it via (PHP|Java|ASP|...) or by JS document.referrer Just out of interest, what happens when HTTP-Header Referrer is suppressed? Does th

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-20 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Martin Heiden wrote: Simon, on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 15:24 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: I am on a webpage...how do I know what page the browser was previously showing. I think Javascript History object is the ticket...but STRICT mode in Firefox seems to tell me that I d

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Ortenzi
You'd be surprised (maybe not!) as to how few people know about tab and new windows and use them for this purpose. I really have to push people in our studio to use these. Joe On Jan 19 2008, at 12:11, George S. Williams wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 04:38, Designer wrote: I use this kind

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Thanks David, Glad to see I'm not the only one who read the email carefully before replying. :-) My understanding of web standards is that one does not replace/ duplicate what is part of the standard furniture without a GOOD reason. Replicating functionality that already exists goes against

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Thanks Pat! On Jan 18 2008, at 17:57, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Christian Snodgrass wrote: You shouldn't always assume that they are just trying to replace the back button. They could want to get the referrer for something else. From the thread starter ".I just want to know what the previous

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-19 Thread George S. Williams
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 04:38, Designer wrote: > I use this kind of thing all the time - It's called a tab :-) > I use that thing quite a bit also. And, occasionally, a similar thing called a new window... George *** List Guidelin

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-19 Thread Designer
Christian Snodgrass wrote: When I read that, I thought about creating a button that finds the site you were at before you came in here, and then keeps that the same throughout the site, so no matter how many pages you go to, you can get back out of all of those and back where you were before yo

RE: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Michael MD
>When I read that, I thought about creating a button that finds the site >you were at before you came in here, and then keeps that the same >throughout the site, so no matter how many pages you go to, you can get >back out of all of those and back where you were before you started >that. That

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Dave Woods
I completely agree with most of the comments so far. Why create functionality that is simply replicating the functionality of a browser? There was an article on text resizing a while ago that I'm sure most people are already aware of by Roger Johansson... http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread David Dorward
On 18 Jan 2008, at 17:23, Christian Snodgrass wrote: You shouldn't always assume that they are just trying to replace the back button. As assumptions go, when they say "so I can create a button to go back to it...", it is a pretty safe one. And, not everyone knows about the back button.

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Andrew Harris
are there any SSI whizzes out there? I would have thought that you could use the referrer in an SSI to accomplish this sort of functionality. BTW: I am astonished at how few people understand the back button. And many more who don't trust it: a result of abuse, no doubt, from sites that break the

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Christian Snodgrass
When I read that, I thought about creating a button that finds the site you were at before you came in here, and then keeps that the same throughout the site, so no matter how many pages you go to, you can get back out of all of those and back where you were before you started that. That's a bi

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Christian Snodgrass wrote: You shouldn't always assume that they are just trying to replace the back button. They could want to get the referrer for something else. From the thread starter ".I just want to know what the previous page was...so I can create a button to go back to it.." P --

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Christian Snodgrass
You shouldn't always assume that they are just trying to replace the back button. They could want to get the referrer for something else. And, not everyone knows about the back button. Don't assume... Joseph Ortenzi wrote: But why? everyone knows about the back button, don't they? So you don'

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
But why? everyone knows about the back button, don't they? So you don't really need to help them. And if the previous site was yours and you want to see if they went from your site A to your site B then you could probably do this with sessions or by passing a variable forward through the l

RE: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread michael.brockington
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Where did I come from? You can use history.go(-1) to go back. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgrou

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Martin Heiden
Simon, on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 15:24 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > I am on a webpage...how do I know what page the browser was previously > showing. > I think Javascript History object is the ticket...but STRICT mode in Firefox > seems to tell me that I don't have permission to acces

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Alexey Ten
You can use history.go(-1) to go back. Also, there is document.referrer string, but it could be empty. On Jan 18, 2008 5:24 PM, Simon Cockayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am on a webpage...how do I know what page the browser was previously > showing. > > I think Javascript History obje

Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread David Dorward
On 18 Jan 2008, at 14:24, Simon Cockayne wrote: I am on a webpage...how do I know what page the browser was previously showing. Reliably? You can't. Unreliably? The (optional) HTTP referer header (which is munged by some personal firewall solutions). NOTE: I don't want to use the History

[WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi, I am on a webpage...how do I know what page the browser was previously showing. I think Javascript History object is the ticket...but STRICT mode in Firefox seems to tell me that I don't have permission to access it. NOTE: I don't want to use the History object to go back or forward...I just