discription is really called
the attribute tag.
Kate
- Original Message - From: Andrew Freedman
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05
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28/05/2008 04:53 Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title
PMAttribute
As i remember alt was short for alternative text, to describe images in
a website.
It is als yuseful for Search ENgine Optimization as its visible for them
to also
relate them to content, titles and other components of the page.
text-only browsers display it. ...
It's text for people
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So what's the general consensus on the use of null or empty alt
strings as per the reasons outlined in the article below?
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/accessible_alternatives.html
The choice between alt-text or no alt-text depends entirely on whether
an
So what's the general consensus on the use of null or empty alt strings as
per the reasons outlined in the article below?
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/accessible_alternatives.html
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
A validator is a tool to help you ... its not
On 28 May 2008, at 09:50, Michael MD wrote:
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
A validator is a tool to help you ... its not the be all and end all
- you need to interpret the results with a bit of common sense.
It seems rather pointless and silly to just try to fool the
Ted Drake wrote:
Sorry but on hover, IE6 will show this is a dog and other browsers will
show oh no it isn't
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Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example:
img src=../../sitegraphics/dogandlead.gif alt=this is a dog /
WILL show the
Sorry but on hover, IE6 will show this is a dog and other browsers will
show oh no it isn't
If your tooltips are really that critical, use the YUI tooltip javascript to
get cross-browser compatibility to display the title attribute. You can also
style them.
On 28 May 2008, at 11:31, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists,
otherwise it
shows the alt-text if such exists.
For this reason I quite often use a null-value title attribute
alongside filled-in alt text, simply because I don't *want* tooltips
Jason Ray wrote:
The information in the alt attribute will only display when the image is
not available - [snip]
The information in the title attribute will display when the pointer
hovers over the object or image.
Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example:
img
Designer wrote:
I'm getting confused now - on MY IE6, the title is displayed on
hover, not the alt. I was originally testing with my standalone IE6,
so I checked on my laptop, (with 'real' IE6) and got the same
result!
Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists, otherwise it
Seems like a good idea, any implications?
2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 28 May 2008, at 11:31, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists, otherwise it
shows the alt-text if such exists.
For this reason I quite often use a null-value
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect. I believe Jaws
ignores empty attributes so all good there ...
2008/5/28 Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Seems like a good idea, any implications?
2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL
Rick Lecoat wrote:
I agree that that's an argument. But the counter-argument, to my mind, is that
I'm *correcting* the behaviour of IE through markup and css
(well, ok, not css in this case) to bring it into line with standards
compliant browsers, which is what we, ad web designers/developers
On 28 May 2008, at 12:53, Darren West wrote:
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect.
I agree that that's an argument. But the counter-argument, to my mind,
is that I'm *correcting* the behaviour of IE through
Rick,
what email client are you using? how do you get the 'on 28 may darren
wrote ...' and the border-left on the quote?
Cheers
Darren
2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 28 May 2008, at 12:53, Darren West wrote:
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
On 28 May 2008, at 13:39, Darren West wrote:
Rick,
what email client are you using? how do you get the 'on 28 may darren
wrote ...' and the border-left on the quote?
Cheers
Darren
Drifting OT now, but it's plain old Apple Mail. The border-left, as
you call it, is just Mail's way of
Darren West wrote:
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect. I believe Jaws
ignores empty attributes so all good there ...
I do not think one should meddle with a browser's behavior in minor
cases like showing alt-text
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote:
kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the
attribute tag.
Kate
Patrick
ahhh hahaha
thats brilliant!!
Tom said:
How about a real 'attributes for dummies' reference??
are you writing a book?
2008/5/28 Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote:
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
Consider e.g. sponsor images. You don't want to pollute your SEOed
page with sponsor keywords, nor is it necessary from an accessibility
point of view.
Cheers,
Jens
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Hello list,
I know this might seem basic, and I searched, but came up confused...
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Hi
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the
attribute tag.
Kate
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From: Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
Tom Livingston
kate wrote:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
or...the alt attribute, if you want to correct people...
--
Patrick H. Lauke
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Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Hi Tom,
On 5/27/08, Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies'
kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
Kate
Patrick H. Lauke also provided the following information on 28/05/2008
5:33 AM:
or...the alt attribute, if you want to correct
I'm not sure exactly what the spec says, go read it, but alt stands
for alternative so the content would be represented alternatively when
say the other content was unavailble. Where as title is meant to
provide additional information related to the content such as a title.
So
img
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Hi Tom,
Try this link:
On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote:
kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really
called the attribute tag.
Kate
Patrick H. Lauke also provided the following information on
28/05/2008 5:33 AM:
On 5/27/08, Jason Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards
compliant,
and accessible
the title is optional.
some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title
for accessibility reasons. the software is adesigner by
hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm
forgetting whether the W3C HTML validator will reject img elements without
the alt attribute, or if it's just the accessibility validators that do so.
Jason
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On
accessibility validators will let you know if you missed an alt
attribute and will suggest adding titles where there are either
sketchy titles or no titles at all.
dwain
On 5/27/08, Jason Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm
forgetting
Hey everyone.
I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of
alt and title and which is most appropriate.
I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand Im
meant to use alt for links and title for images. Or is it the other way around?
Or both?
Fairly simple
Am Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100 schrieb Brett Walsh
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Hey everyone.
I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of alt and title
and which is most appropriate.
I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt
for
links and title for
to and amending
it.
Iain
-- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com
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title
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote:
I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt for
links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or both?
The other way around - the alt attribute goes on the img tag, to
provide some information when
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Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title...
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote:
I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt
for
links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or both
On 8 Dec 2004, at 12:06, Brett Walsh wrote:
I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of alt and
title
and which is most appropriate.
I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use
alt for links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or
both?
Derek Featherstone wrote:
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What is critical and what is extra is determined by context. In general,
the lower tech the approach, the more accessible it is. If it is in the
content, everyone gets what they need, instead of having to rely on a
tooltip which may or may
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:20:56 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
wrote:
It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in addition
to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip.
Does that validate? I didn't think title was a valid attribute for the
G'day
It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in
addition to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a
tooltip.
Does that validate? I didn't think title was a valid attribute for the img
tag?
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