Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-25 Thread Ray Leventhal
tee wrote: Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses from Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question. I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a buzzword to me because I understand no JS. Can one recommend which JS librar

RE: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses > from Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question. > > I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a > buzzword to me because I understand no JS. I wrote an article that gives the basic

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-25 Thread tee
Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses from Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question. I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a buzzword to me because I understand no JS. Can one recommend which JS library is more

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-25 Thread James Ellis
Hi, inline comments .. On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:02:46 pm Breton Slivka wrote: > > > i understand that javascript is needed to pass information from a form to > > a data base for storage or retrieval of data. > > Incorrect- Javascript is absolutely not needed for this. In fact, I > would actively di

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread dwain
excellent and right on! dwain On 2/24/08, Breton Slivka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Steve Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Accessibility, though in a sense is trivially easy once you know it" > > > > That would not even be true if it was possible to 'kno

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
dwain wrote: if accessibility isn't cracked up to what it's supposed to be, then why are there laws about the subject? The laws are probably there to prevent "accessibility" from falling through the cracks. Consciously or unconsciously ignoring "access for all" is after all more the norm than

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread Designer
Breton Slivka wrote: Here, I used the phrase "in a sense" perhaps, to try to capture more meaning than it was capable of holding. There are, as you have pointed out two ways of "knowing" accessibility. You can know how to build your site such that it "should" be accessable according to the stand

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread Breton Slivka
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Steve Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Accessibility, though in a sense is trivially easy once you know it" > > That would not even be true if it was possible to 'know it', which it isn't. > Accessibility isn't just a bunch of facts that you have to learn, and

RE: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread Steve Green
is trivial when you know all that, but I don't think any of us know enough to start thinking that way. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Breton Slivka Sent: 24 February 2008 04:03 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I agree - ignorance and "couldn't care less" are the commonest excuses for not creating professional standards based Websites. On Sun, February 24, 2008 4:02 am, Breton Slivka wrote: > I don't really feel like participating in the dramatic part of this- > But I can answer some of the questions a

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-23 Thread Bruce
I would certainly add this to the mix along with the links there, all 7 chapters :) http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ along with http://icant.co.uk/ Bruce bkdesign On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i'm more of a designer than a devel

Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-23 Thread Breton Slivka
I don't really feel like participating in the dramatic part of this- But I can answer some of the questions about javascript. On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm more of a designer than a developer. my knowledge of javascript is > limited. i am currently read

[WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-23 Thread dwain
after politely being told to shut up, and offering a meek reply, i'd like to take the opportunity to complete the thought. if the shoe fits, wear it. if accessibility isn't cracked up to what it's supposed to be, then why are there laws about the subject? what's the point of being a member of a