Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

No ... as the binaries are separate programs called via command-line or pipes.  That is also covered by exceptions to the GPL. Neil, KN3ILZ On 7/26/2024 11:39 AM, Christoph Berg wrote: Re: Neil Zampella via wsjt-devel Hate to burst your bubble, the binaries do NOT have to be stripped, as t

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

On 24/07/2024 14:56, Hibby via wsjt-devel wrote: Hey Neil, Don't worry - bubble not burst. I'm choosing to not pick a fight about the specific licensing of the binaries. Arguments about licensing are full of opinions and not very fun. They usually end up in flame wars and cold disagreement, a

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hey Neil, Don't worry - bubble not burst. I'm choosing to not pick a fight about the specific licensing of the binaries. Arguments about licensing are full of opinions and not very fun. They usually end up in flame wars and cold disagreement, as I think we can see from the previous discussion.

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hate to burst your bubble, the binaries do NOT have to be stripped, as they can be included as an exception to the GPL license. Neil, KN3ILZ On 7/24/2024 4:05 AM, Hibby wrote: Hi all, Turns out you can't tell furries that a superfox is proprietary! https://sprocketfox.io/xssfox/2024/07/24/sup

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hi all, Turns out you can't tell furries that a superfox is proprietary! https://sprocketfox.io/xssfox/2024/07/24/superflawed/ After I mentioned my disappointment and concern about the implications of closed binaries in this week's zero retries [1], including making users in debian, ubuntu, r

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hello Joe, > I have to say I don't remember your ever having contributed usefully to > the open-source WSJT project, so I consider your > complaints-to-contributions ratio to be rather high. Perhaps I am being > unfair to your ultimately friendly purposes for the benefit of Amateur > Radio. > I

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hi Jakob, On 7/21/2024 9:13 AM, Jakob Ketterl DD5JFK via wsjt-devel wrote: There's currently no documentation on how to use the "standalone" superfox binaries. They don't have a "--help" usage text yet, nor do they have a manpage. So I'd say at this point they don't serve any other purpose tha

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

I'd say that even that part is very much debatable. I haven't checked the integration for the superfox mode, but for the older modes (FT8, FT4 etc.) the integration uses command line arguments, together with shared memory segments. Note that there is not mention of the latter in the FAQ. The data s

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Evidently WSJT-X 2.7 will be connecting to the Superfox binary using either pipes, sockets, or command-line arguments.    In essence, its a separate, proprietary program being called by WSJT-X.   This is perfectly permissible, under the GPL.   In this case,  they just need to adjust the license to

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

You may refer me there, but that doesn't change a thing. I am not talking about linking issues. I am talking about the binary packages and their contents, and not about how the binaries interact with each other. The fact that the binary packages contain closed-source binaries while at the same tim

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

May I refer you to the gnu.org FAQs on GPL programs using proprietary libraries: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#SystemLibraryException It says: Can I link a GPL program with a proprietary system library? (#SystemLibraryException

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Christoph, I apologize for not being clear enough about this. I was referring to the ".deb" files available from the WSJT-X pages on sourceforge. On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 4:40 PM Christoph Berg via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Re: Jakob Ketterl DD5JFK via wsjt-devel > >

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Re: Jakob Ketterl DD5JFK via wsjt-devel > Just in case you're in doubt about the latter, this is the contents of the > copyright declaration included in the WSJT-X 2.7.0-rc6 Debian package, > downloaded 15 minutes ago: The rc6 package I uploaded to Debian unstable some hours ago has the sfrx/tx bi

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hello Joe, > WSJT-X is a complete and independent program. Its full source code is > available to anyone. One of its many operating modes makes use of > short, uncomplicated exchanges with three independent programs that are > licensed separately and made freely available for Amateur Radio use.

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Hello Mr. Ciao ! PSE use Your call sign with the sign of Your Messages! 73 Keijo OG5O Fons Adriaensen via wsjt-devel kirjoitti 20.7.2024 klo 13.56: On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 03:07:34PM -0400, Joe Taylor via wsjt-devel wrote: The following text is from "Frequently Asked Questions about the GN

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 03:07:34PM -0400, Joe Taylor via wsjt-devel wrote: > The following text is from "Frequently Asked Questions about the GNU > Licenses", https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html : > > "[P]ipes, sockets and command-line arguments are communication mechanisms > normally used

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Re: Joe Taylor via wsjt-devel > WSJT-X is a complete and independent program. Its full source code is > available to anyone. One of its many operating modes makes use of short, > uncomplicated exchanges with three independent programs that are licensed > separately and made freely available for A

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Dear Kenji-san, Thank you for your interest in WSJT-X. We do not believe the license terms for WSJT-X 2.7.0-RC5 and later are self-contradictory. WSJT-X is a complete and independent program. Its full source code is available to anyone. One of its many operating modes makes use of short,

Re: [wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

Partially verified this. I checked the "manifests" for the rpms and debs.   Sure enough the binaries are being distributed as part of the WSJT-X binary package.   They are not listed as dependencies. Working trough the source code, they are not there.   It would appear that those of us build

[wsjt-devel] Licensing Issue of SuperFox Mode

I do appreciate all the efforts poured into the SuperFox Mode. Writing that, I'd like to state one thing: The current WSJT-X (2.7.0-RC5 and later) has a self-contradictory license and that should be fixed ASAP. GPLv3 requires ALL binary code must be able to be produced/built from the distributed