Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:59 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > Brad Douglas wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:32 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > >> I don't think you're hearing exactly what I'm saying. > > > > Obviously, I'm not. ;-) > > > >> I would not expect the users to "install and run a web s

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Brad Douglas wrote: On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:32 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: I don't think you're hearing exactly what I'm saying. Obviously, I'm not. ;-) I would not expect the users to "install and run a web server". If you're using Xastir, you have the option now of starting a "server";

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Xastir would be the server and would only interpret/respond to a limited set of XML-RPC calls. -- William McKeehan KI4HDU http://mckeehan.homeip.net On Tue, October 9, 2007 3:48 pm, Brad Douglas wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:32 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: >> I don't think you're hearing ex

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:32 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > I don't think you're hearing exactly what I'm saying. Obviously, I'm not. ;-) > I would not expect the users to "install and run a web server". If you're > using Xastir, you have the option now of starting a "server"; I'm talking > abou

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:18 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > Brad Douglas wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 19:18 -0500, Jason Winningham wrote: > >> On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tate Belden wrote: > >> > >>> Is that even possible? To standardize on a generic 'SQL' so a > >>> specific set of features

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Brad Douglas wrote: On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:03 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: Brad Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 14:27 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: Well, the last time we discussed this, I think this is where the discussion ended (after we managed to get a piglatin translation added to

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

I don't think you're hearing exactly what I'm saying. I would not expect the users to "install and run a web server". If you're using Xastir, you have the option now of starting a "server"; I'm talking about the same thing, only having it speak a standard protocol, http. -- William McKeehan KI4H

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Within this past year. I have friends that work at deCarta. On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:19 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > Interesting. Happened within the last 2 weeks? > > > Brad Douglas wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 22:53 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > >> Google and Mapquest get their basemaps

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

I'm not talking about making the http server open to anyone; it could limit itself to 127.0.0.1 for the type of thing I'm talking about. -- William McKeehan KI4HDU http://mckeehan.homeip.net On Tue, October 9, 2007 3:16 pm, Gerry Creager wrote: > William McKeehan wrote: >> On Tue, October 9, 200

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:03 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > Brad Douglas wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 14:27 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > >> Well, the last time we discussed this, I think this is where the discussion > >> ended (after we managed to get a piglatin translation added to the > >>

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Interesting. Happened within the last 2 weeks? Brad Douglas wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 22:53 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: Google and Mapquest get their basemaps, if memory serves, from Navtech. FYI, Google is now doing most things in-house. They have severed their ties with NavTech, deCar

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Brad Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 19:18 -0500, Jason Winningham wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tate Belden wrote: Is that even possible? To standardize on a generic 'SQL' so a specific set of features offered by any one SQL server don't dictate that server and only that server c

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 15:02 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > On Tue, October 9, 2007 2:46 pm, Brad Douglas wrote: > > Are you suggesting that everyone have a working http server on their > > local machine? That is quite an excessive (and generally insecure) > > method of accomplishing the given go

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

William McKeehan wrote: On Tue, October 9, 2007 2:46 pm, Brad Douglas wrote: Are you suggesting that everyone have a working http server on their local machine? That is quite an excessive (and generally insecure) method of accomplishing the given goal, locally. Well, I'm thinking about a limi

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 22:53 -0500, Gerry Creager wrote: > Google and Mapquest get their basemaps, if memory serves, from Navtech. FYI, Google is now doing most things in-house. They have severed their ties with NavTech, deCarta and others and going direct to government. -- 73, de Brad KB8UYR/

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Brad Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 14:27 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: Well, the last time we discussed this, I think this is where the discussion ended (after we managed to get a piglatin translation added to the repository). I've been playing and thinking about this a fair amount. Wha

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 19:18 -0500, Jason Winningham wrote: > On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tate Belden wrote: > > > Is that even possible? To standardize on a generic 'SQL' so a > > specific set of features offered by any one SQL server don't > > dictate that server and only that server can be u

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, October 9, 2007 2:46 pm, Brad Douglas wrote: > Are you suggesting that everyone have a working http server on their > local machine? That is quite an excessive (and generally insecure) > method of accomplishing the given goal, locally. Well, I'm thinking about a limited http server as par

Re: X-IMail-SPAM-Connection Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 16:49 -0500, Jason Winningham wrote: > On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Stephen - K1LNX wrote: > > > Maps, maps and more maps. > > Ye gods, xastir already supports hundreds of formats. If there's an > area of xastir lacking, that ain't it. (: I guess I need to get back to mak

Re: Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 14:27 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > Well, the last time we discussed this, I think this is where the discussion > ended (after we managed to get a piglatin translation added to the > repository). > > I've been playing and thinking about this a fair amount. What about using

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Don't know if we could include the database engine in Xastir, and that's rather contrary to the Unix Way of Doing Things, but we could facilitate portage, rpm's and deb's to cover most of the obvious ones with a postgres dependency, and a component to add the postgis patch. More'n likely my pr

Re: Navteq was bought -was- Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Also said they intended to keep Navteq as a separate operating unit. This is a play to get first dibs on location-based services maps. I anticipate they'll still sell those to competitors, but that the price may go up a bit. If they go up too much someone else will fill the void. gerry Rich

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

If I'm understanding this right, that'd work for me!! Thanks for the discussion. As a 'drop in' part of xastir itself, I'd guess it'd make things quite a bit larger distribution wise, but sure would make the cross platform bit sweet. I'd be a bit concerned with crossing up users package mana

Navteq was bought -was- Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Nokia bought Navteq for $6.8B US, either this week or last week. Now the fun begins 73 from 807, Richard, N6NKO Tom Russo wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:53:12PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: Google and Mapquest get th

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:53:12PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > Google and Mapquest get their basemaps, if memory serves, from Navtech. No > one seriously uses Tiger anymore for "real" applications. After USGS > migrated to

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Google and Mapquest get their basemaps, if memory serves, from Navtech. No one seriously uses Tiger anymore for "real" applications. After USGS migrated to SDTS format Tiger was the only decent alternative, for some low value of decent. It was based on the original USGS maps, regardless of w

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On 10/5/07, Jason Winningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:48 AM, I wrote: > > >> http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Ah, this is more like it. At a glance: maps - so what? looks a lot > > like xastir (maybe they do a bit better job rendering labels). > > Keep looking:

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

FWIW, I used roadnav last year for a trip from CT to PA and it worked great. The directions were slightly different from Google (Google used a parallel highway that would have saved about 15-20 minutes). Overall I found it to be a pretty good application. Dana N1OFZ On Oct 5, 2007, at

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Jason Winningham wrote: > I did notice this, though: GPX, an XML schema for "waypoint, route, > and track" exchange. Could be interesting to include in xastir if > XML support is included along the way. > > http://www.topografix.com/gpx.asp Side topic: Seen the xastir/scrip

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:48 AM, I wrote: http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/ Ah, this is more like it. At a glance: maps - so what? looks a lot like xastir (maybe they do a bit better job rendering labels). Keep looking: vector maps, rendered by the app, included routing, vector maps based on

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, William McKeehan wrote: Have a look at these: OK, I've looked and now I'll comment. (: http://www.gpsdrive.de/ look at the screen shots and "wow!". Then look at the documentation: raster maps only. These maps came from somewhere else. No routing. bleh.

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Have a look at these: http://www.gpsdrive.de/ http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/ http://roadmap.digitalomaha.net/ -- William McKeehan KI4HDU http://mckeehan.homeip.net On Thu, October 4, 2007 10:15 pm, Lee Bengston wrote: > On 10/4/07, William McKeehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Now to rea

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Despite Microsoft's claims to the contrary, SQLServer doesn't have a real spatial capability. Neither does MySQL. SDE/SQLServer does, but SDE isn't cheap. PostgreSQL plus PostGIS (PostGIS is actually a patch to the schema mechanism) yields a spatial database on a par with Oracle and even ack

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On 10/4/07, William McKeehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, October 4, 2007 5:49 pm, Jason Winningham wrote: > > > Ye gods, xastir already supports hundreds of formats. If there's an > > area of xastir lacking, that ain't it. (: > > I would almost agree - but there are 2 specific things th

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tate Belden wrote: Is that even possible? To standardize on a generic 'SQL' so a specific set of features offered by any one SQL server don't dictate that server and only that server can be used? I seem to recall that postgres has some specific GIS-type extensio

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Jason Winningham wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:27 PM, William McKeehan wrote: This would require Xastir having an "http" style server that would serve up pages and would respond to certain queries with XML code. Nice idea - this would be a reasonably easy interface for add-on tools. This ma

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Precision Mapping's licensing scheme is a pain in the rear. Every time I moved it to a new PC, I had to have new codes and track the old codes because the old codes had to be used to get new codes and multiple modules required multiple codes and the UI-View interface required codes - Yuch! Nev

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Precision Mapping has its own set of problems revolving around licensing. UI-View addressed those but no one else has broken the code for less that lotsa $$$. And, they're not a company I'd prefer to work with as they've already done impolite things to a friend's copyrighted materials and the

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Thu, October 4, 2007 5:49 pm, Jason Winningham wrote: > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Stephen - K1LNX wrote: > >> Maps, maps and more maps. > > Ye gods, xastir already supports hundreds of formats. If there's an > area of xastir lacking, that ain't it. (: I would almost agree - but there are 2

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Stephen - K1LNX wrote: Maps, maps and more maps. Ye gods, xastir already supports hundreds of formats. If there's an area of xastir lacking, that ain't it. (: We need the ability to use Google maps Licensing issues could problematic, but I think someone is

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Stephen - K1LNX wrote: Has there been a feature set discussed for Xastir 2.0? Some things I think need improvement: Maps, maps and more maps. We need the ability to use Google maps or our own mapservers without a lot of configuration for customization. For the end users such as myself, this wou

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

New Years Day is post hurricane season. I intend to have partied so hard the night before that the only resolution I'll make that day is to relearn my own name (I'm not able to take vacation this year (or last) during hurricane season... long and boring story). Let's decide if it's worth doin

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Tom Russo wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 01:39:33PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:27 PM, William McKeehan wrote: This would require Xastir having an "http" style server that would serve up pages and would re

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Has there been a feature set discussed for Xastir 2.0? Some things I think need improvement: Maps, maps and more maps. We need the ability to use Google maps or our own mapservers without a lot of configuration for customization. For the end users such as myself, this would be invaluable. Try as

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Xastir currently is a functional piece of software that does a very decent job of acting as an APRS client. It is in no way handicapped by limited functionality. What needs to happen, is that someone (in the development group) needs to mark a line in the sand(s of time), and start development of X

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

I can start a schema design in my spare time for postgis. I'll circulate this soon. Jason Winningham wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:27 PM, William McKeehan wrote: This would require Xastir having an "http" style server that would serve up pages and would respond to certain queries with XML c

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 01:39:33PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:27 PM, William McKeehan wrote: > > > This would require Xastir having an "http" style > > server that would serve up pages and would respond

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:27 PM, William McKeehan wrote: This would require Xastir having an "http" style server that would serve up pages and would respond to certain queries with XML code. Nice idea - this would be a reasonably easy interface for add-on tools. This makes me think of the Xast

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Well, the last time we discussed this, I think this is where the discussion ended (after we managed to get a piglatin translation added to the repository). I've been playing and thinking about this a fair amount. What about using HTML/JavaScript/XML ala Ajax? This would require Xastir having an "h

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

I preferred the first. Comments really should not be preserved but may require special parsing to make them less intelligible. Curt, WE7U wrote: A better version which preserves comment lines: > cat PigLatin2.pl #!/usr/bin/perl -n if (m/^#/) { print; next; } @pieces = split /

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 09:56 -0400, William McKeehan wrote: > Has anyone thought about adding a scripting capability within Xastir? > I'm thinking about something like some VB script (or similar) that would allow At the risk of getting serious. :) Lua http://www.lua.org/ Lua is a powerful, fast

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

A better version which preserves comment lines: > cat PigLatin2.pl #!/usr/bin/perl -n if (m/^#/) { print; next; } @pieces = split /\|/; $pieces[1] =~ s/\b(qu|y(?=[^t])|[^\W\daeiouy]*)([a-z']+)/$2.($1||w).ay/eg; print join '|', @pieces; -- Curt, WE7U: XASTIR: "Lo

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

> cat PigLatin.pl #!/usr/bin/perl while ( <> ) { @pieces = split /\|/; $pieces[1] =~ s/\b(qu|y(?=[^t])|[^\W\daeiouy]*)([a-z']+)/$2.($1||w).ay/eg; print join '|', @pieces; } -- Curt, WE7U: XASTIR: "Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown "Windows: M

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > Pig latin Perl (Erl-Pay) code: > > Check out the 60-char regular expression on that page. How easy would it be to write a 4-line Perl script that takes a file on STDIN, splits up each sentence that's not a comm

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > > > I think this stuff should be fun. To me, that would make it more > > fun. Silly is ok sometimes. > > > Klingon->English & English->Klingon: > > > > > > Then people a

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > Anyone know if languages like "Esperanto" are used or at least > understood by any target audience? That might be a good next target > for adding to Xastir if so. Found these, which might be of use: INTERNET WORLD USERS BY LANGUAGE:

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > I think this stuff should be fun. To me, that would make it more > fun. Silly is ok sometimes. Klingon->English & English->Klingon: Then people are going to ask for Romulan and Vulcan translations too I s

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Steve Huston wrote: > KLINGON! > > (Sorry, I feared my Geek card would be revoked if I didn't try it.) If someone wants to translate the English language file to Klingon, expending all that effort to do it, and volunteers to keep new sentences up-to-date as they get added to

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On 08/28/2007 02:40 PM, Curt, WE7U wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: >> It should be a simple task to write an erl-pay script to process >> the English language file to create an ig-pay atin-lay version. > Anyone know if languages like "Esperanto" are used or at least > understood by

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote: > It should be a simple task to write an erl-pay script to process > the English language file to create an ig-pay atin-lay version. > > Then the big question would be: Would any of the developers check > it into CVS and modify the language flag to allow it?

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Jason Winningham wrote: > While I'm at it, here's my request for ig-pay atin-lay language support. It should be a simple task to write an erl-pay script to process the English language file to create an ig-pay atin-lay version. Then the big question would be: Would any of t

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Jason Winningham wrote: > On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Gerry Creager wrote: > > > Of course, we could obfuscate this a bit... > > okay, let's call our new scripting language erl-pay. > > While I'm at it, here's my request for ig-pay atin-lay language support. Too Much

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

You have to do the translations. I'm hardpressed to read English anymore! Jason Winningham wrote: On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Gerry Creager wrote: Of course, we could obfuscate this a bit... okay, let's call our new scripting language erl-pay. While I'm at it, here's my request for ig-p

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Gerry Creager wrote: Of course, we could obfuscate this a bit... okay, let's call our new scripting language erl-pay. While I'm at it, here's my request for ig-pay atin-lay language support. -Jason kg4wsv ___ Xastir

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Eschew obfuscation assiduously... 73 from 807, Richard, N6NKO Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course, we could obfuscate this a bit... Richard Polivka wrote: > Age before beauty perl before python??? > (duck) > > 73 from 807, > > Richard, N6NKO > > */Gerry Creager /* wrote:

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Any language that is simple enough for the basic user (and maybe one that could eventually have a wizard in front of it), but is included in the build of Xastir so that you create/manage the script in Xastir so it's portable to any Xastir client (and a way to transmit the script over the air would

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Of course, we could obfuscate this a bit... Richard Polivka wrote: Age before beauty perl before python??? (duck) 73 from 807, Richard, N6NKO */Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Argh. Not VBscript! XML? perl? William McKeehan wrote: > Has anyone thought about addin

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Age before beauty perl before python??? (duck) 73 from 807, Richard, N6NKO Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Argh. Not VBscript! XML? perl? William McKeehan wrote: > Has anyone thought about adding a scripting capability within Xastir? > > I'm thinking about something like some V

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:56 AM, William McKeehan wrote: Has anyone thought about adding a scripting capability within Xastir? We're on unix, so it's already there - it's called perl. (: An example of the type of thing that I'm thinking about would be keeping track of how many runners have pas

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

I vote python!!! On 8/28/07, Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Argh. Not VBscript! XML? perl? > > William McKeehan wrote: > > Has anyone thought about adding a scripting capability within Xastir? > > > > I'm thinking about something like some VB script (or similar) that would > allow

Re: [Xastir] Feature idea for Xastir

Argh. Not VBscript! XML? perl? William McKeehan wrote: Has anyone thought about adding a scripting capability within Xastir? I'm thinking about something like some VB script (or similar) that would allow a relatively non-developer to create little applications which lets Xastir do the heavy