Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Will Robertson
On 15 Apr 2014, at 9:49 am, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:58:23PM +0100, Philip Taylor wrote: Why are these key XeTeX primitives (\XeTeXprotrudechars, \rpcode, etc) not documented in /The XƎTEX reference guide/ ? Will, Khaled, Jonathan : can you

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
Hallo both -- Will Robertson wrote: I’ve been away from LaTeX development work for a while; I’ve been known to let primitives slip through the cracks. Thanks for letting us know — I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some more we overlooked. These commands are all described in the pdfTeX

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
Philip Taylor wrote: Hallo both -- [long snip] It would also (IMHO) be very helpful to document how to create hyperlinks at the XeTeX primitive (\special) level; JK writes : IIRC, hyperlinks are handled entirely at the pdf output driver level; there are no xetex primitives involved.

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread mskala
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: (X)DVIPDFM(X). Since (X)DVIPDFM(X) is indeed an integral part of the XeTeX tool chain, I think that documenting how to access its functionality (with XeLaTeX is the integrated toolchain. If you're going to insist that XeTeX without LaTeX must be fully

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2014-04-25 13:59 GMT+02:00 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: (X)DVIPDFM(X). Since (X)DVIPDFM(X) is indeed an integral part of the XeTeX tool chain, I think that documenting how to access its functionality (with XeLaTeX is the integrated toolchain. If

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-25 13:59 GMT+02:00 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: (X)DVIPDFM(X). Since (X)DVIPDFM(X) is indeed an integral part of the XeTeX tool chain, I think that documenting how to

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: XeLaTeX is the integrated toolchain. If you're going to insist that XeTeX without LaTeX must be fully documented as a separate entity, then it only makes sense to do the same for XDVIPDFMX. I'm sorry, what has LaTeX to do with any of this ? Philip Taylor

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread mskala
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: I'm sorry, what has LaTeX to do with any of this ? You don't want to hear about XeLaTeX, but you write: (X)DVIPDFM(X). Since (X)DVIPDFM(X) is indeed an integral part of the XeTeX tool chain, I think that documenting how to access its functionality

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 07:18:34PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: Khaled, would you be able update the copy in the xetex repo? Just send me the updated version and I’ll commit it (a git format-patch would be even better but not necessary). Regards, Khaled

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: I'm sorry, what has LaTeX to do with any of this ? You don't want to hear about XeLaTeX, but you write: (X)DVIPDFM(X). Since (X)DVIPDFM(X) is indeed an integral part of the XeTeX tool chain, I think that

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread mskala
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Philip Taylor wrote: I'm sorry, Matthew, I can only think you are confusing XeTeX with some other system. Just because you can invent a silly-looking command line to make invoking XeLaTeX look more difficult than it is, doesn't make XeLaTeX stop being an integrated tool

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: Just because you can invent a silly-looking command line to make invoking XeLaTeX look more difficult than it is, doesn't make XeLaTeX stop being an integrated tool chain. However, it seems unlikely that either of us will be able to change the other's mind on

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread David Carlisle
XeTeX My-file .. XeTeX LaTeX My-LaTeX-file Philip that's not been true for so long I'm surprised you can remember that far back:-) all the web2c engines load formats based on their name, there is no intrinsic difference between say pdflatex with a preloaded latex and pdftex with a pre loaded

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
David Carlisle wrote: I don't see any reason to include the documentation in the xetex manual texdoc dvipdfmx provides a 5 or so page tugboat article with the details, what's to be gained by copying that? It just duplicates the information and is only of interest to a minuscule fraction

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2014-04-25 22:21 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: David Carlisle wrote: I don't see any reason to include the documentation in the xetex manual texdoc dvipdfmx provides a 5 or so page tugboat article with the details, what's to be gained by copying that? It just

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX (/not/ XeLaTeX) : Marginal kerning, font protrusion, hyperlinks

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: XeTeX can do via xdvipdfmx specials almost everything explained in the PDF reference and pdfmark reference. Will you insist to include these 1000+ pages in the XeTeX manual? No, Zdeněk; I am asking for /important/ facts to be documented, not the entire known universe.

Re: [XeTeX] Segfault and other problems with \XeTeXpicfile

2014-04-25 Thread Rodney Polkinghorne
Should a \XeTeXpicfile primitive take a JPG or similar as parameter; for a PDF, do you not want \XeTeXpdffile ? I think you're right. Picfile used to handle with PDF images, but apparently not anymore. Thanks. By the way, is there a more detailed description of these primitives than the