Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

ED, It can't be lost to be apprehended. Mike From: ED To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 14:12:13 Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? Mike, Possibly, if it could be apprehended. ~ED "The truth is rarely pure and never

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

JMJM:   It meant that as Mel buddha was present in her at those moments, she could also see the buddha in the post. there was onlly Mel who detected the dharma of the buddha made alive.  When one says the buddha talk or the buddha dharma means that the talks comes from one experience in the

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED)

Mel, Q: How do you know when you're in a feminist book shop? A: There's no 'Humour' section. . Mike From: Mel To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 18:58:29 Subject: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED)   Oh ED, don't go there!(*grin/

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED)

Damn..   I didn't know that cross-dressing was dis-allowed.   Thanks ;) k --- On Fri, 2/25/11, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 1:46 AM   Mel,   Q: How do you know whe

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Krsity:   You must forgive me but I have never been particularly much versed in Psychologist, therapist etc.  I don't even believe much in any of that. On the other hand is good that is also available because there is a larger number of people who are not prepare yet to receive the simplicity of

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Good luck to you Mayka..  In all your thoughts here, and  my best thoughts are with you and your family.  If you ever need help. Just  lets us know.  :)    Take care))..   Kristy :) --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To:

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Ed, The realization of Buddha Mind disolves the dualism that creates judgements such as valuable and not valuable, and also creates divisions such as 'oneself' and 'others'. The best I can respond is that the answer to your question is moot; or in computer-speak 'does not compute'. Joshu sai

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Mayka, My remarks were a swipe at religions in general, but specifically Christianity who on one hand preach forgiveness (New Testament) and on the other hand demand retribution (Old Testament). I'll gladly give you my views but this thread has become so unraveled I'm not sure just exactly on

[Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

Mayka and Anthony, On the 2nd of March I will have been speaking English for 64 years and 5 months. How do you like them apples? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > Welcome to the club Anthony.  I also have problems with some tenses verbs > plus prepositions

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Edgar and Kristy, This isn't a rape forum, but for what it's worth I don't beleive that most rapists rape because of unsatisfied sexual desires. That might be a factor, but I beleive rapists rape because they have no empathy or regard for others. They don't see them as other people. They see

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Edgar and Kristy, I'll jump in again just to say that I don't think sex is that big a driver for men in general. It's not for me and it's not for most of the men I know. It's certainly not enough of a drive to make me want to go out and force myself on someone. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yah

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Audrey, How about female rapists? Should they have their ovaries yanked out with some needle-nose pliers? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > > She cares nothing about the politics. Neither do I. > Although, I'm incredulous of the concept of "rape culture". N

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill..   Amen.    So much of this has been nonsense.   Thanks.. k --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 3:04 AM   Edgar and Kristy, I'll jump in again just to say that I

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Makya, I have not been raped nor have I raped someone. To my knowledge no one in my immediate family (grandfathers, grandmothers, mother, father, wives, sons, daughters, grandsons, grandaughters) has ever been raped or has raped anyone...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez w

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

JMJM. I lived in Berkeley/Rockridge from 1984-1995...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: > > Hello Mayka, > > I completely agree. I said alone because you said, "... no one but Mel > responded." > > I was in Berkeley 1967 - 1972. A true hippie.

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill;   I suppose you or anyone can't give views about an event thas not taken place in one life.  Only the ones and closed to the ones who were victims can share that kind of experience and how they reacted in front of it.    Just for the seek of mental exercise:    1 - Visualice yourself bein

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill,   Its a bit more complicated than this.. but yes--you are  correct. Edgar's views'  voice a  deep frustration some have, but they do not  lead to rape.  While  I feel the topic is not relevant here, I welcome any further  comments on this from Edgar--but better said privately, I think... ~

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Mayka,   I was raped.  I think you have some work to do on  empathy yourself.  If you want to help your sister.. help yourself  first.   I care about you-- but I admit--you make it difficult sometimes..   Kristy  (Before you have a impulse for a defensive reply--hit delete). --- On Fri, 2/25/11,

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Krsity: Could you kindly illustrate me what are you talking about?.  Thanks Mayka --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 10:39   Mayka,   I was r

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill,   I want her comments stopped now-- as a moderator. I am fwd them to yahoo, and my attorneys.   There is a limit..  I appreciate your position.   Contact me privately.   Thanks.   Kristy --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

 Kristy :   Please calm down.  Please notice that posting was a conversation between Bill and myself.  I don't understand what I may have said to bring in you such a reaction.    Mayka --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill,   All comments from Maria Lopez' address /s are  auto-fwd to my attorneys now.  She continues to comment though I have requested formally that no further comments are made public.   Bill.. This is serious.  I have put up with enough from her.  I will file charges.   Kristy --- On Fri, 2

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Dear Kristy:   No offensive comments were made at any time against your person.  On the contrary, I tried my best to understand you and made use of a kind language while talking to you.  You can perfectly show any of my comments addressed to your person to your attorney.  It's you that is overre

[Zen] Zen living(to Mayka)

--- On Fri, 25/2/11, Maria Lopez wrote: MEL: Hey there Mayka   MAYKA: Thank you for the kindness of your comments.  MEL: My pleausure  MAYKA: Just a shame that I went a little bit too much emotional over the rape subject and went entangled on myself emotions and talking non sense.  It only co

[Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to JMJM)

Hi JMJM   Thank you, and that was nice what you posted for us here   Buddha be praised Mel --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: If I may add some perspectives to Mel's observation below We all know the basic Buddhist practice is simply "precepts, meditation, wisdom".  It

[Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to JMJM)

Again, thank you JMJM in peace Mel --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: If I may add... Only when we "witness" the emptiness in all words, could we then embrace all words.  Then and only then we are whole and be one with the One. Thank you for your time for reading this. JMJ

[Zen] Can a Buddha harm others?(to ED)

That's just the problem ED. Analyzing Zen under the microscope and using words as if giving permanent descriptions even just for one moment is missing the point quite a fair bit. Words are so limiting, but I'm not sure that's something academics comprehend when it comes to things spiritual, incl

[Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED)

--- On Fri, 25/2/11, ED wrote:   I notice that self-proclaimed meditators on the Zen Forum continually judge, and delude themselves that they do not.   MEL: Do not Semites do exactly the same thing in biblical forums?   These teachers could stop repeating themselves and just meditate, so

[Zen] Can a Buddha harm others?(To ED)

--- On Fri, 25/2/11, ED wrote: ED: You do not need to "support" anybody here. I believe they can all stand on their own two feet.   MEL: I think they call that compassion, especially when it takes place with a clear mind/conscience   ED: "They" want to show that "they" are right, but not yo

[Zen] Can a Buddha harm others?(to ED)

Quite true ED, but your postings betray otherwise. Do you really believe what you're saying here, or are you merely repeating some Buddhist talk you heard somewhere else? Hearing or reading about it are entirely different to actually living it   Can you now sort of see why your academic referenc

[Zen] Can a Buddha harm others?(to ED)

--- On Fri, 25/2/11, ED wrote: ED: Mel, you are right.      MEL:...(*smiles/peace*)...Peace unto you..     ED: Human Nature being what it is, people become displeased and can even get angry if they experience one as expressing points of view that do not 'support' them. This is the real wo

[Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Zazen is never enough...one has to live Zen, or die trying to   in peace Mel --- On Fri, 25/2/11, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 5:42 AM   And, the only way to "witness" the emptiness of

[Zen] Martial arts(to Kristy/JMJM/list)

Hey there Kristy(*smiles*)   The psychology, focus, and concentration in martial arts are great. They have their spiritual beginnings which seem to have been forgotten for quite a long time. Do you like the combat arts? Are you combat-minded?    If you find you're more into things like Taichi a

[Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to Mike)

Dear brother, you're going to get me burned. I ain't goin' there in peace Mel --- On Fri, 25/2/11, mike brown wrote: Mel,   Q: How do you know when you're in a feminist book shop? A: There's no 'Humour' section. .   Mike   Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

ED, It is more correct to say: the only way to "witness" the emptiness of all words, talk, discussion, argumentation, preaching, opinionation etc. is decades of shikantaza in an orgyhouse. Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Edgar, I am led to believe that you think the options of an orgy party or Tantric sex ritual can solve rape problems. Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Edgar Owen wrote: From: Edgar Owen Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Take ammonia, please. --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 4:55 AM   Sniff... --- On Thu, 24/2/11, Anthony Wu wrote:

Re: [Zen] Vatican confirms report of sexual abuse and rape

ED, In an autocratic society, an offending official also gets away by being relocated, while the victim has become an outcast. Absolute power is absolute corruption (I don't remember who says this). On the other hand, a Tantric monk should be excused for having Tantric sex, as he is also human

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

Bill, Is your English bloody enough? Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 5:51 PM   Mayka and Anthony, On the 2nd of March I wil

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill, You say, 'rapists rape because they have no empathy or regard for others.' When they realized Buddha nature, there are no 'they' or 'others', so raping is justified. Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoog

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Hi Maria, OK, I'll stop being a male and go back to being a Buddha now! :-) EDgar On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: > Krsity: > > You must forgive me but I have never been particularly much versed in > Psychologist, therapist etc. I don't even believe much in any of that. On

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill, Judaism is unconfused, because its religious texts are based on (normal and natural) human-nature's dualistic values. (Old Testament values) Christianity is schizophrenic, torn between Judaism's 'feet on the ground' attitude and Jesus' 'pie in the sky when you die' values. (New Testament

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill, You don't qualify for a Tantric monk. Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 6:04 PM   Edgar and Kristy, I'll jump in aga

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill, But your great, great, great...grandfather was a rapist, and your great, great, great.. grandson will be. Anthony --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! wrote: From: Bill! Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 6:09 PM  

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill, But the Buddha Mind never dissolves the differences between 'dualism' and 'non-dualism', and does make a judgment as to which Mind is the more valuable of the two (Buddha Mind and non-Buddha Mind)? Is Mayka's (normal and natural) human-nature reaction to rape dualistic or non-dualistic?

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Kristy, Please forgive Mayka. She has a language barrier. When she says, 'what are you talking about, she means no offense.' Furthermore, Mayka is not as old as me, so does not understand different positions of different people. Please suspend your attorney for the time being. Anthony --- On

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

In my dualistic opinion, Mayka appears to be exhibiting the usual, normal and natural, organic and orgasmic, human-nature reaction to rape, prior to the benefits of her intense, long-term Shikantaza practice kicking in. ~ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > Mayka, >

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

No no, Bill. That's too late to be considered a Hippie. Sorry LA. :-) You must be living at Berkeley during the sixties, then you would meet the HareKrisna, long hair dudes, singing ladies, never shaving guitar players Then you will be moved to get up and revolt against all establishmen

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?

True. Thank you for your reminder, Mel. "Dharma is in every moment in life. Buddhahood is accomplished in everyday life." Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 2/25/2011 4:53 AM, Mel wrote: Zazen is never enough...one has to liv

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

k ~ m appears to be dualistically blessed with an unusally high self-opinion and a somewhat low other-opinion (like what many males are alleged to possess.) ;-) Ignore if you can. ~e --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > Bill, > > I want her comments stopped now-- a

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

I meant responsibility as in the fact that the student is responsible for their own life, and they would be well advised to not hand over that responsibility to any one, no matter how strong an emotional bond they have. True intimacy cannot flourish when anyone is abdicating themselves to the othe

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?

JMJM, We have all heard these sorts of statements over and over and over again. So, what do you recommend we do (other than do more zazen) to get the message to really stick? ~ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: > > True. Thank you for your reminder, Mel. > >

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Wow, what a lot of typing has been taking place! Let me state a few things: 1. Most mail readers can allow you to send all comments from a given email address directly to the trash. I am periodically tempted to do this with some people that irritate me habitually, but of course the great way is

Re: [Zen] Can Buddha intentionally harm?

2011/2/25 Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 : > Besides, enlightened being has no self.  The entire focus, or heart, is > filled with the suffering of others. Just to point out the obvious, those are two distinct statements, and the first, being has no self, is true of all of us, know we it or not.

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?

It depends. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:14 AM, ED wrote: > > > > > > JMJM, > > We have all heard these sorts of statements over and over and over again. > > So, what do you recommend we do (other than do more zazen) to get the > message to really stick? > > ~ED > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups

[Zen] Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Since this question was not directly answered, let me give it a try. About five or six years ago, I was in a restaurant order live fish. (Chinese are barbaric. I know. I know.) As always, the waiter brought one in a basket to obtain my approval. So I nodded. As he turned around toward the

[Zen] What to do?

Hi Ed, Valid comment. Sorry that I sound like an old hippie parrot. Chan is all about doing and not talking. After all, it was "without words and outside of religion." My Teacher teaches Four simple practices 1. Purity - purity of body and mind. Meaning meditate. Chan meditat

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Edgar: It sounds like you are assuming that "desire" is something which can be statically satisfied with some possible arrangement of the physical universe. That seems unlikely to me; I am pretty sure my desires are unreasonable and include such things as eating a cake and keep it too. Perhaps s

[Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > I meant responsibility as in the fact that the student is responsible for > their own life, and they would be well advised to not hand over that > responsibility to any one, no matter how strong an emotional bond they have. > True in

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to JMJM and Bill)

To the hippies:   Get the sunshine:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2eHuUidPgw --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 1

Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

(^_^) Thank you JMJM Mayka --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 15:04   Mayka Dear, Again, I completely agree. L

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

(^_^) Mayka --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Edgar Owen wrote: From: Edgar Owen Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 15:11   Hi Maria, OK, I'll stop being a male and go back to being a Buddha now! :-) EDgar On Feb

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

I'd rather have Nenuco (kind to oneself=Compassion) .  Not a matter of luxury but of choice one freely makes. --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 14:31  

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

Well, conventionally 19 is past the age of consent. As a person that's been in a long term exclusive relationship since 1986, I'm not really in the place of either person in the story, so I'm not sure my comments have much relevance. I did date a tenth grader when I was a senior, after my older g

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?/ Chris

Hey Chris,   Glad your sesshi went well.    >>Let me state a few things: 1. Most mail readers can allow you to send all comments from a given email address directly to the trash. I am periodically tempted to do this with some people that irritate me habitually, but of course the great way is easy

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Thank Chris: Sorry to hear about your traumatic experience. Very encouraging to anyone who went through to similar experience and read how peacefully you have overcome from it and get on with your life.   In addition called also my attention point Number 3.    Visualisation doesn't work in every

[Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

Quite sensible SFZC rules re:sex on pages 5 and 6 of: http://www.sfzc.org/sp_download/assets/ZenshinjiSummerGuidelines.pdf Any other rules? Who is 'the big famous teacher in charge'? Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogro

[Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: > > Since this question was not directly answered, let me give it a try. > > About five or six years ago, I was in a restaurant order live fish. > (Chinese are barbaric. I know. I know.) As always, the waiter brough

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?/ Chris

Kristy:   Wouldn't have been a more mature action to clarify whatever misunderstanding between us in private as I invited to do so?.  Still don't understand what I have done so wrong to you as to lead you to take such an extreme action and have under vigilance this website.    Anyway,  it certa

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Hi Steve, Actually, thank YOU for asking this question. There is a saying in Buddhism, "The heart of Buddha is the heart of all sentient beings." It is not a metaphor. It is psychologically, physiologically, emotionally and totally so. When we meet the enlightened teacher, learn and practi

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Chris,   I envy you being able to overcome the mentality of a weak victim. You seem to be right in saying a large number of people have been sexually abused in all kinds of ways. So life is really like riding a hang glider in a storm.   However, that is not an answer to the question whether a Bu

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Steve,   It sounds to me that you agree to:   A Buddha cannnot harm others.   Some people, enlightened or not, can feel and correct the karma of others.   Right?   Anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, SteveW wrote: From: SteveW Subject: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroup

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

JM,   What is the Chinese word for 'mind'? And what for 'heart'?   Anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 26 February, 2011, 3:45 AM  

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Anthony & Chris,   I remember the first time I  visite the Holocaust Museum in D.C.  I watched a short film of two Jewish men scheduled for  execution. One man  said how grateful he was to  their captors.  The other, shocked at hearing this, asked "Why"?    The man replied, "I'm thankful I am n

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Bill!: If they wish it so. I don't believe rapists - of any gender - should be physically mutilated against their will/desire. Now - I wish to make it clear to everyone...my last post was to be my *last post* on the subject. We were all given different viewpoints on the subject, and it will take

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Really? Even though victim-power can be quite intimidating and untrumpable? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > Anthony & Chris, > > I remember the first time I visite the Holocaust Museum in D.C. I watched a short film of two Jewish men scheduled for execut

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Hi Audrey, The forum should be quite grateful to you for creating an opportunity for airing different viewpoints on this issue. In particular I am glad that we were able to comment on the misandrist hate-all-men redefinition of rape, conceived by Susan Brownmiller: "Susan Brownmiller is an Ame

[Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Anthony, Do you believe that human Buddhas really exist or not? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Steve, > > It sounds to me that you agree to: > > A Buddha cannnot harm others. > > Some people, enlightened or not, can feel and correct the karma of others. > > Rig

[Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

> > I am not an enlightened being. My Teacher is. JM, how do you tell, especially if you are not enlightened yourself? > > Besides, enlightened being has no self. The entire focus, or heart, is > > filled with the suffering of others. JM, that's well and good, but of what use is that in red

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Kristy, You are a real bodhisatva in loving kindness. I hope you also work on another aspect to avoid anger. Don't take offense. Anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Satur

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Anthony, You are not doing too badly yourself in your insight-wisdom! --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > Kristy, You are a real bodhisatva in loving kindness. I hope you also work on another aspect to avoid anger. Don't take offense. Anthony Anthony & Chr

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

ED, Not in our time, despite claims by Tibetans that they have 'living Buddhas'. I am not sure about thousands of years ago, and thousands of years in future. anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Anthony, Each word, whether Chinese or English is defined differently, understood differently and interpreted differently from person to person. All values in the universe exists only in one particular instance. As you know, all describable way are not the way. When we stop analyzing, agreei

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

JMJM, It is you that keeps analysing, agreeing and disagreeing. But don't worry about that. Sakyamuni did the same thing. I remind you that the Chinese word for 'heart' and 'mind' is the same character 'xin'. Anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Kristy and Mayka and all participants, I just got up and logged in (it's 7AM Sat morning in Thailand) and am just beginning to read these posts. I might be too late, but let's all just STOP posting anything on rape. And please don't make any judgements of other people's motives. Just STOP! L

[Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

JMJM, Living in the 'relative' is what has made the West so rich and powerful. What are we doing here? Some feel good when they are agreed with; others love the challenge of being disagreed with. Persons with a common interest love to pass the time of day with conversation, argument and analy

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Anthony,   I rarely, if ever, get angry.  I did  feel frustrated, but I had  been working all night, and it was 4a when I checked those messages. I resolved it.   I recognized some time ago  that Mayka has some egocentric and self-esteem  issues.  I have empathy for those.  I think when my husban

Re: [Zen] Re: Can Buddha intentionally harm?

Ed, For the last ten years, everything that my Teacher has taught me were gradually experienced by me, no matter how outrageous I thought they were at the beginning. Chan is a "personal" experience, which no one are able "transmit" it to you, except an enlightened teacher. Walk your own pa

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

ED, Buddha Mind does dissolve duality. Buddha Mind is aware of distinctions, but does not then go on to make valuations. Only Mayka could answer whether her actions are dualistic or non-dualistic. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Bill, > > But the Buddha Mi

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Anthony, My non-professional theory is that rapists are ABLE to rape (and generally do harm to others) because they see their victims as objects. There is no empathy, no compassion, no feeling of connection. Buddha Mind breaks down the dualistic barrier of self/other so there is lots of empat

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

I'm not an expert in either Christianity or Judiaism , but from what I've read about them neither are very close to Buddha Mind. I've read stories/myths/paralbles in both the Old and New Testaments that do seem to me to point to Buddha Mind. The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Anthony, I do have some qualitications: I wear a lot of primary colors and mix plaids and stripes...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, > > You don't qualify for a Tantric monk. > > Anthony > > --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! wrote: > > From: Bill! > Subject: [Z

[Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

JMJM, In the sixties I was living at home and attending high school in Huntington, Indiana and going to college at Michigan State in East Lansing Michigan. I didn't grow long hair until I later in life. I was one a member of a radical faction of FFA (Future Farmers of America). Does that cou

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list)

Oh, Bill. Thank you for your post. :-) :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 2/25/2011 5:10 PM, Bill! wrote: JMJM, In the sixties I was living at home and attending high school in Huntington, Indiana and going to college at Mi

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

Kristy:   Where did it go your "Loving kindness"?.  Take very good care of your own mental illness leading you to see me in such a distorted way and using harmful words.  Is not this called schizophrenia?   Mayka.        --- On Sat, 26/2/11, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClai

[Zen] Change

Sorry I haven't been around in awhileI've been reading the posts in the group, but I myself haven't posted in many months. I do have a question, however. Can people change? And by change, I mean can people change in a very fundamental manner? If so, how is it done? ---

[Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom

What does everyone think about the recent rebellions fighting for freedom/democracy in Tunisia, Egypt, Dubai, Libya and Wisconsin? Do you think they have any chance of succeeding in the long term? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you re

Re: [Zen] Change

Hi V, Don't we all change, all the time? ;-) siska -Original Message- From: "V" Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:37:52 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Change Sorry I haven't been around in awhileI've been reading the posts in the

[Zen] Re: Change

V, IMO, this is a very complex and difficult question. In order to make it more tractable, it needs to be broken down into a number of simpler questions. Let's consider one question at a time. (1) Is the person aware of fundamental attitudes and behaviors he wants to change, and the reasons why

[Zen] Re: New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom

Bill, Succeeding in achieving what in the long term? As is stated in the Theravada teachings, it's empty phenomena endlesly rolling on. The ever-ongoing evolution will be mainly a function of the relative power of the players involved. --ED PS: The UK/US/Israel land-grab in Palestine needed

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