>
>
>
> High Light: When a Psilocybin Study Leads to Spiritual Realization
>
> A subject in a study of the effects of hallucinogens on brain chemistry
> recounts her mystical, life-changing experiences under the influence of
> psilocybin
>
> By Maria Estevez November 23, 2010
>
> ENLIGHTEN
>
> What Zen meditators don't think about won't hurt them
>
> December 8th, 2010 in Medicine & Health / Psychology & Psychiatry
>
> Zen meditation has many health benefits, including a reduced sensitivity to
> pain. According to new research from the Universite de Montreal, meditators
> do fe
> For all you deluded ones who believe that sitting instead of daily life is
> Zen.
:-)
Edgar
>
> Can sitting too much kill you?
>
> By Travis Saunders | Jan 6, 2011 10:39 AM
>
> We all know that physical activity is important for good health—regardless of
> your age, gender or body weight,
Bill,
Thanks for the plug. The paper can be found at
http://edgarlowen.info/hardproblem.pdf
Edgar
On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Bill! wrote:
> ED,
>
> Consciousness is not a topic that interests me a lot. The other co-moderator,
> Edgar Owen, is very interested in conscious
Is there any evidence that these comics actually "contribute to actual sexual
abuse of children"? Is the rate of this any higher in Japan than elsewhere? If
not I don't see any problem with it, after all no children are involved in its
production as it is all art work not photography.
Edgar
from Japan re: shojo manga and shotacon.
>
>
> --ED
>
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Is there any evidence that these comics actually "contribute to actual
> > sexual abuse of children"? Is the rate of this any
n Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> Well the arrest rates should be known data. I'd be interested in seeing if
> there is any increase in actual criminal activity or whether perhaps such art
> serves as an outlet and actually reduces the rate which some claim it d
Rape is primarily about satisfying sexual desire when it can't be achieved
otherwise. Complete power over a woman can be a very strong aphrodisiac.
Especially where violence or injury is involved it can also be combined with
the man's desire for revenge against women for perceived psychological
lly-inclined individual.
>
> Radical feminists, and misguided others, obviously have the right to despise
> traditional culture and to wish to vanquish it. But, like the rest of us,
> they must make their case in an up-front manner, employing intellectual and
> moral persuasion and not, as they&#x
Steve,
Everyone, including you of course, IS a Buddha. Most just don't realize it.
Edgar
On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:51 PM, SteveW wrote:
>
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve and Bill, what might a woman/man who had realized kensho-satori
> > hav
another
> perspective because the only way to ever hope to prevent or heal the
> problem, is to look at it with a clear mirror.
>
> Edgar,
>
> What does the data show on rape when it is done in countries as part of
> geneocide?
>
> Kristy
>
>
> --- O
gt;
> Mayka
>
>
> --- On Wed, 23/2/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 20:56
>
>
> Kristy,
>
> Good objective comments.
nt who provides fulfillment for every fantasy, no matter
> how dark or violent, does not seem to impact the rape stats, or the cases for
> SVU units. So there is more to this. This area is not my range of study or
> experience, but clearly, there are other factors.
>
> Thanks,
that doesn't mean that we
> must accept it as is. It means that we have an obligation to work with these
> people, with a compassionate heart, in order to better understand how to
> re-direct their impulses, and find emotional and physical resolutions in a
> peaceful way.
>
Hi Maria,
OK, I'll stop being a male and go back to being a Buddha now!
:-)
EDgar
On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
> Krsity:
>
> You must forgive me but I have never been particularly much versed in
> Psychologist, therapist etc. I don't even believe much in any of that. On
Mike,
I agree with accepting things as they are, but one must clearly understand what
that means. Things as they are are what reality is. However many mistakenly
think that means Buddhists must be passive and submissive. Not at all. The
correct understanding is that a Zen person can work active
>
> A grudge match between humanity and death -- who wins?
>
> February 28th, 2011 in Medicine & Health / Psychology & Psychiatry
>
> Death can be terrifying. Recognizing that death is inescapable and
> unpredictable makes us incredibly vulnerable, and can invoke feelings of
> anxiety, hatred
>
>
>
>
>
> Tuesday, March 1
>
>
> Dear Valued Customer,
>
> We are pleased to deliver your requested table of contents alert for
> Mindfulness. Good news: now you will find quick links to the full text of the
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> Automaton, Know Thyself: Robots Become Self-Aware
>
> Droids met the challenge of perceiving their self-image and reflecting on
> their own thoughts as part an effort to devel
Mayka,
This is a setting in your own spam folder you need to change.
Edgar
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
> Mike:
>
> I have received the posting you mention in the spam folder as all posting
> from you. Yours is the only posting that I keep receiving at all times in
>
I
> see nowhere edit on it.
>
> Thanks
> Mayka
>
> --- On Mon, 7/3/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [Zen] just checking
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 7 March, 2011, 11:42
>
>
> Mayka,
>
> Thi
Ah, a moment of enlightenment courtesy of Edgar Roshi!
:-)
Edgar
On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
> Bill;
>
> If change has nothing to do with you doing something then it has to do by
> myself following Edgar advice I couldn't see any edit settings for spam but
> as I was ver
> Learning to see consciously
>
> March 9th, 2011 in Medicine & Health / Neuroscience
> Training for conscious perception: A. Subjects are presented with geometric
> forms in rapid succession. After 10 milliseconds the forms were masked to
> render them invisible. The task of the subjects was t
Mayka,
Everyone should be aware that the FBI is warning there are many scams asking
for money to help in Japan. So just be careful
Edgar
On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Maria Lopez wrote:
> It's embarrassing bothering the list with the same subject again. My
> apologies for that. I was
The problem with stories like this is they give the false impression that there
is some 'correct' response to such Zen questions and that that response had to
have been exactly what Hotei did. Nothing could be further from Zen... Stories
like this tend to reduce Zen to the level of adolescent on
This is the usual sissy wimp ideology used to support the reality of psychology
'pain' and thus the treatment industry. In reality there is an enormous
difference in real physical pain and illusory psychological pain. The
difference is that physical pain is caused by an actual physical occurrenc
>
> Meditation stronger than drugs for pain relief
>
> Meditation can have pain relieving effects greater than morphine, claims new
> study.
>
> Focused attention is a form of mindfulness meditation Photo: GETTY
>
>
> By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent 10:00PM BST 05 Apr 2011
> Rese
>
>
> Functional MRI shows how mindfulness meditation changes decision-making
> process
>
> April 20th, 2011 in Neuroscience
>
> If a friend or relative won $100 and then offered you a few dollars, would
> you accept this windfall? The logical answer would seem to be, sure, why not?
> "But
>
>
> an interesting study
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12661646
>
>
> The benefits of meditation: Neuroscientists explain why the practice helps
> tune out distractions and relieve pain
>
> May 5th, 2011 in Neuroscience
>
>
>
> Studies have shown that meditating regularly can help relieve symptoms in
> people who suffer from chronic pain, but the neural m
There is NO such rule on this forum. That is simply Bill's personal opinion
Edgar
http://EdgarLOwen.info
On May 8, 2011, at 10:43 PM, ED wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> If that is a rule on the Zen Forum, Iwill abide by it. If I perceive
> someone expressing concepts and opinions, I *may* ask yo
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Current Book Discussio
EVENING MOON In a mountain village, a sickle sharpened for next day’s work, moonlight glows in the blade. Yuzuki Yama no sato asu no isogi ni togu kama no hikari ni ni ta ru yuzuki no kana
Good story. Because Bill denies causation he is doomed to be reincarnated as a
fox for 500 lives!
Edgar
On May 20, 2011, at 10:56 AM, ED wrote:
>
>
> Hyakujo's Fox
>
> When Hyakujo Osho delivered a certain series of sermons, an old man always
> followed the monks to the main hall and lis
en.
>
> Anthony
>
> --- On Fri, 20/5/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Self Nature
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 20 May, 2011, 11:36 PM
>
>
> Good story. Because Bill denies causation he is doomed to
Well if you like roast chicken but not commercial dog food!
Edgar
On May 20, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Every day I poop in somone's garden. Is that your garden Edgar?
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> &
Nonsense. The traditional woman throughout history willingly gives up her
autonomy to her husband in marriage. She considers that the fulfillment of her
existence.
Edgar
On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:28 AM, ED wrote:
>
>
> Attachment can be a benefit too! A woman generally loves being wanted
> (att
Yes, no doubt that is why Bill married a Thai lady!
:-)
Edgar
On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:40 PM, ED wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Edgar, Good point - that's if you can find a woman in the US these days
> willing to surrender her autonomy.
>
> Mike, Yes, if you do not exert yourself sufficiently to keep her
Is meditation the push-up for the brain?
July 14th, 2011 in Psychology & Psychiatry
(Medical Xpress) -- Two years ago, researchers at UCLA found that specific
regions in the brains of long-term meditators were larger and had more gray
matter than the brains of individuals in a control group. Th
Why on earth would anyone be worried about death? After all you won't be around
or conscious to experience it! Remember you were dead before you were born. Do
you worry about not being alive before you were born? Of course not. Then why
worry about being dead after you're dead? Same thing exactl
lity of your life is for wimps who are not truly
alive. Worrying about death is not the Zen way...
Edgar
http://EdgarLOwen.info
On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:39 PM, D P wrote:
> But this will all be gone. All of it. That's what I fear. And it feels like a
> real fear.
>
> --- In
Such fear should be used as a motivation for living healthy and well to
minimize the chance of such pain. That done don't dwell on it...
Edgar
On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:11 AM, Mel wrote:
> I'll be honest here, but it's not death itself that I myself fear, but the
> preceding pain that comes befo
rtainly affect us now.
>
> But the "living right" is also scary because then my OCD kicks in that I am
> somehow not doing it right!
>
> I want to forgive myself for mistakes, and accept things without dwelling in
> depression.
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
> Yes, what happened before us is gone, but we have touchstones to know
> > > > that
> > > it did exist. And the past can certainly affect us now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But the "living right" is also scary because then my OCD
ris Austin-Lane wrote:
> He is saying if a cook prepares him a meal and has killed the animal, he'd
> eat it.
>
>
> He did not say what he would do as the cook.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Chris
> ch...@austin-lane.net
> +1-301-270-6524
>
>
> On Mon, Jul
s, because a tree would try to avoid, though in a very slow process, being
> 'killed' one way or the other. So we can't eat vegetables either. Thus have I
> heard.
>
> Anthony
>
> --- On Tue, 26/7/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject
Be CAREFUL. This may well be a phish asking you to click on something that will
really Screw your computer!
Edgar
On Aug 6, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Mel wrote:
> My apologies to all groups
>
> I have just got back online tonite and have been informed by YAHOO that my
> account may have been compro
Total meaningless BS game playing with no connection to Zen at all!
On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:21 PM, salik888 wrote:
> When Teng Ying-feng was about to leave Ma-Tsu, the Ancestor asked him, "Where
> are you going?"
>
> Ying-feng said, "To shih-t'ou."
>
> The Ancestor said, "Shih-t'ou's path is sli
Not quite right. Before realization the purpose of Zen practice is realization.
After realization there is no longer any purpose to Zen practice and one just
attends to the purposes of daily life.
Edgar
On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Bill! wrote:
>
> Anthony,
>
> The traditional reluctance
The problem with the Diamond Sutra's 'everything is as it is' is realizing what
is actually is. Things are NOT as they appear to be because reality is always
filtered through human nature to the human observer. It takes a deep
understanding to see through this illusion. Though much of this illus
http://edgarlowen.com/Diptic.jpeg
Anyone know what this is and how old? Patina looks good and apparently
illustrating some ancient turtle myth, probably Japanese or Chinese. Anyone
know what that myth might be?
Thanks,
Edgar
Not sure if
> this is explaining well.
>
> Mayka
>
>
> --- On Thu, 18/8/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Form vs Formless Practice
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, seeking-the-tr...@yahoogroups.com,
> futurolog...@yahoogroups.com,
Yes, reality exists only in the present moment. The present moment is reality.
The present moment is common across the entire universe but each observer
experiences it differently depending on his location and his nature.
The past does not exist and is not real, only its memories in the present
Hi Bill,
In 1. and 2. below you correctly represent my views. On point 1. if you agree
that what we experience is not the actual real external reality but an internal
representation that is distorted by our senses then why don't you agree with me
that it's an illusion to believe that what we ex
.org
> Chan in everyday life...
> http://www.chanliving.org
> To be enlightened in this life...
> http://www.heartchan.org
> To save our world...
> http://www.universal-oneness.org
>
>
> On 8/20/2011 5:16 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
If you are looking for an alternative I suggested one that looks less like a
psycho killer when we first went through this discussion.
Edgar
On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Bill! wrote:
> D9gehzenji73,
>
> It is a pretty bizarre drawing. It's of course supposed to be Bodhidharma.
>
> Edgar and
A big improvement. Much better image of BD...
Edgar
On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Bill! wrote:
> The Zen Forum's Homepage art has been changed.
>
> You say DOG and we say WOOF! WOOF!
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> &g
Everything IS Buddha nature without exception so I do agree with your
penultimate statement just expand it a little.
Nothing 'has' anything. All sentient beings 'are' Buddhas in that they are
Buddha nature. It's just a matter of realizing that.
Edgar
On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Bill! wrote
I feed a fox every day at my door He should be here soon
Edgar
On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
> Mayka,
>
> Do you give food to foxes? You must, because you may run into Bill or me.
>
> Anthony
>
> --- On Thu, 1/9/11, Maria Lopez wrote:
>
> From: Maria Lopez
> Sub
Hi Mayka,
A real 4 legged animal red fox. Much more enlightening than a visit by a human
zenster!
:-)
Edgar
On Sep 2, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
> Edgar;
> A real four legs animal or something else?
> Mayka
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/9/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
to it?. It's such a cute animal!. Here in Europe those animals are
> very frightened by humans and they don't let themselves being seeing. And
> here in the UK with the sport of hunting foxes...well you can imagine that
> they do well to remain in the hidden. Mayka
>
>
l fox in my life. What
> other animals approach your home?
>
> Mayka
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/9/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Mahayana
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 2 September, 2011, 19:05
>
>
Yes but I'm saving the rabbits and chipmunks that would otherwise be eaten...
On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Edgar, It sounds like maybe the chickens shouldn't trust you too much. ;>)
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
&g
most protective loving playable
> friend from my childhood. When my parents were out during the day our wolf
> took care of us. He would have given his own life for us little children.
> It was an amazing friend.
> Mayka
>
> --- On Fri, 2/9/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
? I
> don't think either side in the "God exists debate" can prove they are right
> either way. In my opinion anything claimed as a "fact" needs proof.
> Existing things are far easier to prove than "nonexistance".
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter
Jacob,
NDE (near death experience) has a reasonable scientific explanation. Different
parts of the body shut down at different rates during death. As death
progresses and the brain loses energy consciousness fades and retreats into the
center of the brain. NDEs are simply the experience of cons
gt; cheating?
>
> Anthony
>
> --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Side Effects of Religious Belief > NBEs & OBEs
> To: evolutionary-psychol...@yahoogroups.com, zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
> seeking-t
The american philosopher Ken Wilber is fond of saying that enlightenment is an
accident, and meditating makes you accident prone.
Edgar
We have the ever present reality of Buddha consciousness which is always
enough
Edgar
On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ryan Mishler wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Well anyone can call any group a cult, that’s free speech. Personally I had
> a powerful experience with fasting when I was 21 that got m
nks, ED
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > We have the ever present reality of Buddha consciousness which is
> always enough
> >
> > Edgar
>
>
tions of the ever presence of Buddha consciousness? Is it
> associated with moral unselfishness, amoral neutrality, or absolute chaos?
>
> Anthony
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2011 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Response to
Thanks for the recognition (in both senses!) JM
Edgar
On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Juemiao Jingming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
> Applause!! Edgar. Keep posting It's your turn... :-)
>
> On 11/9/2011 5:30 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
>>
>> No, it's just there, alwa
Forget about the explanation. Just look!
On Nov 10, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> If there are no indications I can see with my worldly eyes, how do I 'look'
> and 'experience' the Buddha consciousness?
>
> Antho
Don't worry Bill, reality is still here and going strong!
Edgar
On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote:
> I haven't seen any posts for several days now. What's everybody doing? Zazen?
> Occupy @MyCity? Golf?
>
> ...Bill!
>
>
Bill and Anthony,
I think Anthony's error is in thinking that morality comes from external
dictates that either are or are not complied with. That is after all the usual
definition.
However Zen action comes directly and spontaneously from within in direct
reaction to reality rather than in acc
al - it's just done. Just THIS! I
> call that 'amoral' since it is not in the scope of the dualistic concept of
> moral/immoral.
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Bill and Anthony,
> >
> &
Siska,
All the illusions are also Buddha nature. Everything is Buddha nature. Buddha
nature is everywhere. You error is in thinking Buddha nature is not present in
illusions. It is. There is nothing that is not Buddha nature. Illusions are as
much Buddha nature as the truth. They just need to b
when you said "When their nature is
> realized".
>
> Objects being passing objects of consciousness is not the same with being
> noted and then ignored. Borrowing your simile, one is without attachment, the
> other is not attached to the attachment.
>
> Sis
where and already there, why does it still need to
> be realised?
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:17:39 -0500
> To:
> ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism
>
Enjoy it for what it is but don't be attached to it. Just like everything
else...
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2011, at 10:49 AM, ED wrote:
>
>
> Hi sis
>
> Hi siska, Bill, All,
>
> I wonder what the consequences of applying the Zen perpective to a romantic
> relationship might be. Your thoughts on
Bill and Siska,
When their nature is realized such mental objects are usually still present but
generally fade rapidly because they are just noted and ignored, not focused on
like they used to be considered the self rather than just passing contents of
consciousness. Since focusing on them is w
of love for
reality itself even without a lover. Buddha nature can be experienced as love..
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
>
> It is difficult, if not impossible not to attach to romantic relationships.
> Do you have a specific example?
>
> Anthony
&g
Because you haven't achieved realization?
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2011, at 7:28 PM, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi Edgar,
>
> Why does this sound more like a duality of illusion and reality to me?
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups
ought of what exactly that makes one sad? Simply the thought of fact
> that one is not rich?
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:15:20 -0500
> To:
> ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] R
g realisation is only as much as creating differences between
> illusion and not illusion, then you are right, I have not achieved it on this
> matter.
>
> But what is good about it, simply another duality ;-)
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoog
n, but after Zen it doesn't...
>
> I guess I should wait until I'm 'after Zen' to understand this :-)
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:21:42 -0500
> To:
> ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogro
Bill and Siska,
Perhaps there is still 'purposeful action' is a better descriptor than
'volition'?
And yes, generally accurate representations of what I said...
Edgar
On Nov 22, 2011, at 3:09 AM, Bill! wrote:
> Siska,
>
> My comments are imbedded below:
>
> [Siska} ...When someone tells l
Cortical thickness and pain sensitivity in zen meditators.
Grant JA, Courtemanche J, Duerden EG, Duncan GH, Rainville P.
Source
Département de physiologie, Université de Montréal Centre de recherche en
science neurologiques, Montréal, QC, canada.joshua.gr...@umontreal.ca
Abstract
Zen meditatio
;purpose'.
> What would that purpose be?
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Bill and Siska,
> >
> > Perhaps there is still 'purposeful action' is a better descriptor than
> > 'vo
call 'volition' at the presence of buddha nature as 'purposeful
> action'. I agree with Bill that it would not involve a decision making
> process. With purpose, there would still be reason behind the action. I don't
> think there is.
>
> Siska
>
>
nature is free, actions are not driven by any certain cause for any certain
> purpose.
>
> Siska
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:44:01 -0500
> To:
> ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re:
hungry and not lose your Zen.
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:25 AM, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> If I eat, I eat. If I don't eat, I don't. Not because I'm hungry, not because
> I'm not hungry, not because of anything.
>
> This rarely happens th
Everything in the universe is always exactly right as it is in the sense that
it is what it is and thus could not be otherwise even as it is being changed...
I always liked the title of Watt's "In My Own Way" with its multiple entendres.
Edgar
On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
>
ill ever match
> the profundity of the simplest daily action performed by ourselves. "In My
> Own Way" indeed.
>
> Mike
> From: Edgar Owen
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011, 22:42
> Subject: Re: [Zen] What Your Big Brother Sa
Yep, we are always already there...
Edgar
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:20 AM, mike brown wrote:
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> Edgar,
>
> As long as we believe there is a path to follow, then we'll always be in our
> own way (1st meaning).
>
> Mike
>
> From: Edgar Owen
> To: Zen_Foru
Actually pretty good and useful instructions...
Edgar
On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Bill! wrote:
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> Many people have asked for zazen instruction. I've found a new link with
> instructions especially for geeks:
>
> http://www.billsmart.com/misc/zazen%20for%20geeks.jpg
>
> Hope it helps...B
At one Zendo I was sitting at there was a clear S&M situation going on between
the young novice male whacker and a cute female sitter. I never heard such deep
breathing and muffled moans from any other whacker and sitter or so many
multiple whacks to the same naughty sitter!
:-)
Edgar
On Dec
What do you think that has to do with Zen?
Edgar
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:08 AM, James W. Meritt wrote:
> Does anyone else see anything wrong with making a unthinking tree or rock the
> height of achievement?
>
>
> James W. Meritt
> CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP
>
>
Let me rephrase my question: Why do you think there is something Zen aims to
achieve and that's becoming an unthinking tree or rock?
Edgar
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> What do you think that has to do with Zen?
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Dec 7,
James,
You simply don't understand what is actually meant by no mind. It doesn't mean
becoming unconscious. It means emptying consciousness of all the little usual
distracting details of consciousness so that consciousness itself is
experienced. It couldn't be more different than becoming a sto
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