Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-17 Thread Niall Power
What serious compat issues ? There has been one and only one incompatible change in the stream format and that only impacted really really early (before S10 FCS IIRC) adopters. Here are the issues that I am aware: - Running zfs upgrade on a zfs filesystem will cause the zfs send stream

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-17 Thread Niall Power
In the long run some USB stick problems may surface because the wearbr leveling is done in 16MB sections, and you could blow your stick ifbr you have a 16MB region which is ``hot#39;#39;. nbsp;I wonder if parts of a zpoolbr are hotter than others? nbsp;With AVS the dirty bitmap might be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-16 Thread Niall Power
Andrew Gabriel wrote: Different USB memory sticks vary enormously in speed. The speed is often not described on the packaging, so it's often not possible to know how fast one is until after you've bought it and tried it. This was tested with an external laptop hardisk inside a USB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-16 Thread Niall Power
Does 1. really need to be fixed? I'm not suggesting that it's currently broken I'm just asking if it would be reasonable to special case our usage a little bit in order to avoid unnecessary alarm to users. This will be seen as a fit and finish/polish issue. If it's easy to address that then

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-16 Thread Niall Power
Hi Volker, Yes, by all means. I am doing something very similar on my T1000, but I have two separate one-disk pools and copy to the backup pool using rsync. I would very much like to replace this with automatic resilvering. One prerequisite for wide adoption would be to fix the issue

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-16 Thread Niall Power
Yes to both I believe, while the USB device is attached your system will run slower, and it will run considerably slower while replicating data. Hopefully USB 3 or eSATA drives would address this to some extent. I think I've confirmed this is the case, at least in the configuration I

[zfs-discuss] Using zfs mirror as a simple backup mechanism for time-slider.

2008-12-15 Thread Niall Power
Hi all, A while back, I posted here about the issues ZFS has with USB hotplugging of ZFS formatted media when we were trying to plan an external media backup solution for time-slider: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=299501 As well as the USB issues in the subject we became

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hotplug issues on USB removable media.

2008-10-29 Thread Niall Power
However, I don't think that's what they're talking about here. I think they're talking about a ZFS pool that consists of an external USB device, and doing a send / receive directly to that pool. That way the USB device is a true backup copy of your ZFS pool, and I think the idea is that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hotplug issues on USB removable media.

2008-10-28 Thread Niall Power
Bueller? Anyone? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hotplug issues on USB removable media.

2008-10-28 Thread Niall Power
Hi Tim, Tim Foster wrote: Niall Power wrote: Bueller? Anyone? Yeah, I'd love to know the answer too. The furthest I got into investigating this last time was: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2007-December/044787.html - does that help at all Niall? I dug around

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hotplug issues on USB removable media.

2008-10-28 Thread Niall Power
--- Niall Power wrote: Hi Tim, Tim Foster wrote: Niall Power wrote: Bueller? Anyone? Yeah, I'd love to know the answer too. The furthest I got into investigating this last time was: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2007-December/044787.html - does

[zfs-discuss] Hotplug issues on USB removable media.

2008-10-22 Thread Niall Power
Hi, As a part of the next stages of the time-slider project we are looking into doing actual backups onto removable media devices such as USB media. The goal is to be able to view snapshots stored on the media and merge these into the list of viewable snapshots in nautilus giving the user a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Automatic removal of old snapshots

2008-09-25 Thread Niall Power
Hi Wade, We considered a number of approaches including just deleting oldest snapshots first and progressing through to the newest snapshots. When you consider the default snapshot schedules we are going to use, the model is that snapshots get thinned out over time. So in situations were disk