[zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Alex
Hi, I'm sure this has been asked many times and though a quick search didn't reveal anything illuminating, I'll post regardless. I am looking to make a storage system available on my home network. I need storage space in the order of terabytes as I have a growing iTunes collection and tons of

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Scott Laird
I have an Asus P5K WS motherboard with a cheap Core 2 Duo CPU (E2140, $70 or so) and one of the cheap SuperMicro 8-port PCI-X SATA cards. That gives you 14 supported SATA ports. Throw 4 GB of RAM into it (~$100) and then either use 500 GB or 750 GB drives. One of the Seagate 750s is down to $155

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Alex
Thanks a bunch! I'll look into this very config. Just one Q, where did you get the case? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Scott Laird
Everything except the SuperMicro SATA card came from Newegg. They didn't have the card in stock at the time, so I ordered it from buy.com. Scott On Jan 14, 2008 9:33 AM, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks a bunch! I'll look into this very config. Just one Q, where did you > get the case?

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Scott Laird
Run 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1' as root. I've been using it since November without problems, but I haven't actually had to restore anything in anger yet. There's a rumor that Apple will be officially adding network support to Time Machine this we

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 09:52:38AM -0800, Scott Laird wrote: > Run 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferences > TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1' as root. I've been using it since > November without problems, but I haven't actually had to restore > anything in anger yet. I couldn't get that to

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Scott Laird
I'm using smb. Mount the share via the finder, then go to the time machine pref pane, and it should show up. Scott On Jan 14, 2008 10:03 AM, Brian Hechinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 09:52:38AM -0800, Scott Laird wrote: > > Run 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferen

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Alex
Yes, you're of course right. I will make archive copies of this stuff and store it offsite. However I am treating the backup piece of this as an occasional archiving. Basically an online storage site which can back up my content once a week or so. Thank you for your suggestions and for pointing

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:10:26AM -0800, Scott Laird wrote: > I'm using smb. Mount the share via the finder, then go to the time > machine pref pane, and it should show up. I guess it's time to setup SAMBA then. :) Thanks! I've been wanting to backup the mini and the macbook to the fileser

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Jonathan Loran
Alex, I imagine that you've spent/will spend dozens or perhaps hundreds of hours ripping your MP3's. Don't even think about skipping backups. Budget in the cost of backups, preferably off site backups, even something you can carry to work and lock in your desk. Buy a four drive USB enclos

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Cook
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=AOC-SAT2MV&c=fr&pid=84b59337aa4414aa488fdf95dfd0de1a1e2a21528d6d2fbf89732c9ed77b72a4 ^^that was the best price I could find when looking 6 months ago. Dunno if that's changed since. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Cook
www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. Hard to beat that. And they're owned by EMC now so you know they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Jan 14, 2008 7:02 PM, Scott Laird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an Asus P5K WS motherboard with a cheap Core 2 Duo CPU (E2140, > $70 or so) and one of the cheap SuperMicro 8-port PCI-X SATA cards. I went for Celeron 420 (around $35) - with ZFS compression turned on it runs with ~ 80% idl

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Rob Logan
> appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. http://rsync.net/ $1.60 per month per G (no experience) to keep this "more" ontopic and not spam like. what about [home] backups??.. what's the best "deal" for you: 1) a 4+1 (space) or 2*(2+1) (speed) 64bit 4G+ zfs nas (data for

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Jonathan Loran
eric kustarz wrote: On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote: www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. Hard to beat that. And they're owned by EMC now so you know they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I just signed on and am trying Mozy out. Note

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread eric kustarz
> > I'm using raidz2 across 8 drives, but if I had it to do again, I'd > probably just use mirroring. Unfortunately, raidz2 kills your random > read and write performance, and that makes Time Machine really, really > slow. I'm running low on space now, and considering throwing another > 8 drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Cook
http://rsync.net/ $1.60 per month per G (no experience) ^^how does that compete with 4.95/month for all you can store? At 1.60/G, I dunno about most people here, but I'd be broke real quick :D As for personal, mine's all 4+1. I have the luxury of working for a storage reseller so backups

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread eric kustarz
On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote: > www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. > Hard to beat that. And they're owned by EMC now so you know they > aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I just signed on and am trying Mozy out. Note, its $5 per computer an

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Nathan Kroenert
I see a business opportunity for someone... Backups for the masses... of Unix / VMS and other OS/s out there. any takers? :) Nathan. Jonathan Loran wrote: > > > eric kustarz wrote: >> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote: >> >> >>> www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread mike
On 1/14/08, eric kustarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. > > Hard to beat that. And they're owned by EMC now so you know they > > aren't going anywhere anytime soon. mozy's been oka

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Cook
Another free.99 option if you have the extra hardware lying around is boxbackup. http://www.boxbackup.org/ I haven't used it personally, but heard good things. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensol

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Scott Laird
I've been tempted to get one of my neighbors to host a small box with ~4 drives and then either rsync or zfs send backups to it over wifi; that'd protect against fire or theft, but not major earthquakes. I don't think we're at risk from any other obvious disasters. The up-front cost would be kind

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread David Magda
On Jan 14, 2008, at 17:15, mike wrote: > On 1/14/08, eric kustarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote: >> >>> www.mozy.com appears to have unlimited backups for 4.95 a month. >>> Hard to beat that. And they're owned by EMC now so you know they >>> aren't

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread mike
except in my experience it is piss poor slow... but yes it is another option that is -basically- built on standards (i say that only because it's not really a traditional filesystem concept) On 1/14/08, David Magda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 17:15, mike wrote: > > > On 1/14

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Anton B. Rang
OK, this isn't even vaguely ZFS-related, but at least with Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.5.1, be aware that network volumes are unsupported because they don't work right. :-) For instance, describes one case -- if the Samba destinati

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware for zfs home storage

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Cook
Speaking of which, I'm somewhat surprised sun hasn't done similar with zfs and thumpers. You would think they would want some sort of ultimate showcase that way :D Drinking the koolaid and such :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-d