Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That's why I included "opportunities" as part of the list. You have to make due with limitations placed on your talents, and "lack of opportunity" is the flip side of opportunity. Why do we have proportionately fewer serious music composers today than in the 18th and early 19th century, for example

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I was trying to make points that not everyone appreciates the talents we may already have. Stacy. At 01:04 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: That's why I included "opportunities" as part of the list. You have to make due with limitations placed on your talents, and "lack of opportunity" is the

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Then stay away from it. There are other ways to learn. Stacy Smith wrote: > I've read some of the higher criticism and don't really appreciate or like it. > > Stacy. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “The first duty of a university is to teac

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? > > Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, > and he did agree to get rid of all of the Iraqi WoMM, although I can't tell > you why we believed him. But certainly, we can't now. > > We are now

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy. At 01:13 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: > We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? > > Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, > and he did a

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Another thing to contemplate if the higher critics haven't gotten around to this one, let me be the first higher critic of one of them to show how preposterous some of the tales can be and yet I ought to have my head examined for believing it because I have believed these individuals to be real

[ZION] Fwd: The Brookings Update on Terrorism, 11/6/02

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought all would like to see this report I have been getting since around 9/11. Stacy. X-Mailer: Lyris ListManager Web Interface Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:30:48 -0500 Subject: The Brookings Update on Terrorism, 11/6/02 To: "Update: Brookings Project on Terrorism" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EM

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:54 11/6/2002 -0600, Gryy wrote: Though your text book told you about biology, you still cut into that frog in class. Why? To prove the statements in the book that a frog does have heart, lungs, etc. Each time you turn on a light switch, you do it with faith, because you have previously t

[ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and came back dreadfully ill and exhausted. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
NOW we're in the spirit of things! :-) Noj Stacy Smith wrote: > Maybe not so rhetorical as really sarcastic. > > Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are "moving on" (could you define that please?)? Jon Stacy Smith wrote: My point still holds even if they are no longer in Afghanistan. Why are we moving on? Stacy.

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. And you are not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of transactions that these countries agreed not to do. Or am I incorrect in that

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy. ///

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
The Lord knows what He is doing. Your daughter has now acquired all of the immunities she needs to perform an excellent job, just like her Dad would do. Thank her for her willingness to serve! Jon Till wrote: > > My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking > in t

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laugh

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock of the

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't. Stacy. At 07:30 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are "moving on" (could you define that please?)? Jon Stacy Smith wrote: My point still holds even if they ar

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to bring happiness to the select few! :-) Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. > > Stacy. > > At 07:

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
And as we are taught by the Lord, I am turning that scorn into a blessing to the world! Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. > > Stacy. > > At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you mean by "moving on." I can make lots of guesses, but you should know best what you mean. As an example of your lack of clarity, do you mean that we are turning our backs to the Taliban and assuming that they no longer pose

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > John, > The difference is that we have many GAs who have told us that portions of > the Bible ARE symbolic. That leaves the Bible's historicity at least > partially in question. Meanwhile, they have all told us that the BoM is > literal.

[ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Of course, no one here on this list, including myself, can tell you what will be the short and long term outcome of acting or not acting. I believe that he is a continuing threat to our way of life, along with quite a few other gangsters. Others

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. It is hard to imagine who our dignity could be any further ravaged than it already is, thanks to Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Ah, sorry. Gotcha. Well, this is certainly true! What some see as a talent, others see as a problem, I guess. What do you do when you're confronted with a situation like this? My reaction, when I was young and precocious, was just to clam up and become rather reserved, because I never knew how what

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I appreciate your experience. Just don't think it's such a black and white issue. We've been told in a number of places in the scriptures that we don't know everything yet, and may have to exercise patience. In the meantime, we are free to compare speculations, so long as we do not harm the faith o

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? (for a map of the missions in Brazil, see: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif) To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo Estado alone, and only 8 in all of Canada. "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > My

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. Stacy. At 04:47 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Of course, no one here on this list, including myself, c

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I am implying that we have only left the job half done if we leave the Taliban any room to start over again and form another government anywhere. Stacy. At 09:42 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you mean by "moving on." I ca

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
No, I am not laughing at LDS as you suppose. I am laughing at American leadership. Stacy. At 09:35 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to bring happine

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I wouldn't say laughingstock, but when you're an elephant in a world of mice, the mice get nervous, even when the elephant is kindly disposed towards them. There's an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly that is kind of related to this. I don't go as far as the author does in his theme, which is

Re: [ZION] Fwd: The Brookings Update on Terrorism, 11/6/02

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Sounds like a worthwhile newsletter. I'll have to look into it. I get Jane's Defence and Jane's Security weekly briefings (the shortened, abstracts for non-subscribers -- I can't afford the £600 or so annually that a full subscription costs). Stacy Smith wrote: > I thought all would like to see

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Come-on line in Biology 20: "Hi! My name's Marc. I'll pith your frog for you." Worked with all the girls. "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 21:54 11/6/2002 -0600, Gryy wrote: > >Though your text book told you about biology, you still cut into that > >frog in class. Why? To prove the statements

[ZION] James Ossuary

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The ossuary's owner steps forward to tell his story: Globe and Mail, Thursday, 07/11/02 <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021107/UOSSUN/Front/frontpage/frontpage_temp/1/1/5/>> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Bore

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the > oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. By the U.N., which you seem not to trust. > And you are > not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of > tran

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Seems to me that the contention in this discussion is mostly based on semantic quibbling. We're talking about written records of history. Every incident and story related in these records is entirely symbolic. The words and letters that comprise a written text or an oral narrative are symbol

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? (for a map of the missions in Brazil, see: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif) To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo Estado alone, and only 8 in all of Can

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:39 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? (for a map of the missions in Brazil, see: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif) To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo E

RE: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Brother Fairbank, what happy news. Congratulations! --- Mij Ebaboc / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Dan R Allen
Stacy: The thing that gets me is this: If we're all of a sudden so concerned about Saddam's nuclear and biological weapons abilities, why weren't we as concerned in 1992? Dan: Clinton / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
In which case, the maps that would, roughly speaking, cover that mission are: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/SP_cidade_north.gif (City of Sao Paulo: north) and part of http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/SP_cidade_east.gif (City of Sao Paulo: eas

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I don't think so. This is something George III inherited from his Daddy, I'm afraid. After all, the Clinton presidency pursued the USS Cole case with as much vigour as any Republican president would have. But Clinton didn't need to turn it into a domestic election issue. Dan R Allen wrote: > Stac

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Oh, and I forgot: there's a mission alumni page, too, which she might find informative: http://www.mission.net/brazil/sao-paulo/north/index.php "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 11:39 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >>Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? >

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Congratulations to her and your family. Geoff >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM >>> My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and came back dreadfully ill and exhausted. Till /

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Mark Gregson
> Israelites? In what way can it be said how willing and capable God is in > helping you succeed in following His commandments? > > Dan: > They overcame the people of Jericho. I do not question that the city of > Jericho, or the people of Jericho were destroyed by the Israelites. God > promi

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > And if they are false in this > instance, they may be false in many others, perhaps most others. And there > goes my confidence in the scriptures. Even the Book of Mormon has a > disclaimer indicating that some things in it might contai

[ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't. Oh, but we have achieved our real if unstated objective. We have dropped a lot of very expensive bombs, and we have given George Bush wartime powers at the expense of

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you mean by "moving on." I can make lots of guesses, but you should know best what you mean. As an example of your lack of clarity, do you mean that we are turning our backs

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Not for her terrible experience and illness, but for the mission call. :) I am sure that she'll do a wonderful job and bless the Brazilian people. Geoff >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 12:45PM >>> Congratulations to her and your family. Geoff >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM >>> My da

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:39 AM 11/7/2002, Jim cogently stated: Seems to me that the contention in this discussion is mostly based on semantic quibbling. We're talking about written records of history. Every incident and story related in these records is entirely symbolic. The words and letters that comprise a wr

[ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films. Congress is dissolved to mere skeletons and then dust. And the White House is obliterated. I can think of very little that would so improve our nation, and restore our ancient libert

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equal validity to questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible... Naturalistic explanations are often useful in evaluating empirical data, but when the question asked involves non-empirical categories, such as "Is the Book of Mormon what

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Dan R Allen
Mark: I'll answer Marc and Dan together here. Marc didn't address my questions but Dan does. So, Marc, what's your take on the Red Sea, the walls of Jericho, et al? Did they happen as described? Dan's answer has a hint of "When the Israelites say they crossed over the Red Sea on dry ground wh

Re: [ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It is pretty funny, and full of little in-jokes for those familiar with early SF films. I LOVE Jack Nicholson as the President. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious, > and one of my favorite, recent films. > > Congress is dissolved to

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Depends on what you mean by "happened." I'm with John Widtsoe on this one. Here's how he answered the question regarding whether the Flood was universal: John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, p.126-127 = The suggestion has been made that the flood filled every hollow and v

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That your view is the only credible one. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > > > And if they are false in this > > > instance, they may be false in many others, perhaps most others. And there > > > goes my confidence in the scriptures. Even the

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Sorry, I hit the send button too quickly. The false dichotomy is that it's your view or your understanding of another's view. I believe the witness of the Holy Ghost. Period. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > > > And if they are false in this >

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
And the Republicans won control of both houses of Congress, don't forget that one. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > >We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't. > > Oh, but we have achieved our real if unstated objecti

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is a very interesting comment,a nd sheds a lot of light on the subject at hand. We often try to read in our own modern, secular ideas of what *we* want the truth to be, rather than letting the record speak for itself, and we're often inconsistent. I have on my website a transcript of a talk by

RE: [ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- > Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is > hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films. To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago, and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest, unpleasant movies we had ever had the m

[ZION] James ossuary

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
f cold water from today's Globe and Mail: <<http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021107/COLORNA/Comment/comment/comment_temp/2/2/3/>> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “Man will occasionally stumble over th

Re: [ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -John- > > Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is > > hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films. > > To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago, > and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest, > u

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: The two covenants: The first is the old covenant, the law of Moses, the law of carnal commandments, the preparatory gospel, the covenant God made with Israel, through Moses, to prepare them for the second. The second is the new covenant,

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Definitely we should win the victory over the Taliban before going on to other types of terrorists. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
My point exactly and right on target. Stacy. At 11:07 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR ///

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. Stacy. At 09:45 PM 11/07/2002 +, you wrote: This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equal validity to questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible... Naturalistic expla

[ZION] Of Presidents and Kings

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Here's a letter-to-the-editor in the 04/11/02 New Yorker in response to the Hendrik Hertzberg editorial that I posted here a while ago. Normally a liberal (in the US sense), Hertzberg had argued that there was precedent for US presidential declarations of war (although he didn't use that term -- he

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: I'm saying that it should not be absolutely _necessary_ for God to have parted the Red Sea, a'la Charlton Heston, to have a testimony that He guided the Israelites across it. The fact that He helped them cross the Red Sea is literal, but the exact

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: The details in the story of the flood are undoubtedly drawn from the experiences of the writer. Under a downpour of rain, likened to the opening of the heavens, a destructive torrent twenty-six feet deep [12 metres] or deeper would easily

RE: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --- If the greatest priority in this situation is to eliminate terrorist leaders like O

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You will, of course, have to ask Elder Widtsoe that. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > The details in the story of the flood are undoubtedly drawn from the > experiences of the writer. Under a downpour of rain, likened to the opening > of the he

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. --- Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink collection. ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? by Stephen E. Robinson Bookcraft Salt Lake City, Utah 1991

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:33 PM 11/7/2002, JWR wrote: How do you apply this reasoning to Jesus calling Lazarus forth from his tomb, or raising the daughter of Jairus? Maybe these two were not really dead, but by the power of God they recovered while if it hadn't been for the blessing they would have died? Is th

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Paul Osborne
>Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he >is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding >Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR I'm convinced he is dead. You can buy anything in this world for money but only if it exists. Paul O [EM

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Paul Osborne
You know what? We could list all the fantastic stories and miracles in the scriptures and especially from the dreaded Bible and explain them all away. Then, we could all just quit the church and go have a beer together and laugh about how stupid we were to ever have believed in such things. Put I'

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Try a search at www.deseretbook.com -- that should work. Stacy Smith wrote: > I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy > them. This one sounds interesting. > > Stacy. > > At 09:45 PM 11/07/2002 +, you wrote: > > >This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equ

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
We all feel the same joy, John. It might be hard to believe, but the wonder of the resurrection and the atonement, and the word of God through his scriptures are just as meaningful to some of us whose views you might look askance at. Let's just say it takes more than one voice to make a choir, so l

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Paul Osborne
>Do we really know for sure that Osama was behind the 9-11 attacks. Just >what is the evidence? The President of the United States and US intelligence has determined that he is guilty. Case closed. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sig

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim Cobabe wrote: > Stacy Smith wrote: > --- > I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy > them. This one sounds interesting. > --- > > Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink > collection. > > ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? > by Stephen E. Robinson

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That was a pretty neat trick in northern Yemen, I gotta admit. I just finished reading Holy War, Inc., by Peter L. Bergen, ex of CNN. He'd just about finished writing this book, subtitled "The Secret World of Osama bin Laden" when 9-11 happend, so naturally he had to add an extra chapter. Bergen tr

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Good on ya, mate. Have a root beer for me! Paul Osborne wrote: > You know what? We could list all the fantastic stories and miracles in > the scriptures and especially from the dreaded Bible and explain them all > away. Then, we could all just quit the church and go have a beer together > and la

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well, there have been news reports that his son, Mohammed, has been captured. I believe he only has 1 son, and 2 daughters, but I'm not sure. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he > > >is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Ter

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Or maybe, like a good joke, you just had to be there to get it. Steven Montgomery wrote: > At 06:33 PM 11/7/2002, JWR wrote: > > >How do you apply this reasoning to Jesus calling Lazarus forth from his > >tomb, or raising the daughter of Jairus? Maybe these two were not really > >dead, but b

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Do we have any of these in immediate electronic form I could look at on a web site? Stacy. At 08:35 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: > Stacy Smith wrote: > --- > I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy > them. This one sounds interesting. > --- >

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of Doha, Qatar, the day after. He'd prepared the video ahead of time, so there's not much doubt. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Do we really know for sure that Osama was behind the 9-11 attacks. Just > > >what is the evidence? >

[ZION] Up JWR's way -- the Golden Bough of the Misty Isles

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks to the stumblebums at S-Cargo Canada [say it out loud and think French], I often get two issues of the weekly magazines I subscribe to, at once. This happened today -- with the 04 November issue of the New Yorker only now getting here, along with the 11 November issue. Unfortunately that mea

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I remember that video. Stacy. At 09:30 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of Doha, Qatar, the day after. He'd prepared the video ahead of time, so there's not much doubt. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Do we really know for sur

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: The President of the United States and US intelligence has determined that he is guilty. Case closed. Just hope they don't find you guilty of anything without evidence. --JWR ///

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. Here is a listing of the titles available at the Harold B. Lee library at BYU: Robinson, S. E. (1982). The Testament of Adam : an examinatio

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- > The President of the United States and US intelligence has > determined that he is guilty. Case closed. -John- > Just hope they don't find you guilty of anything without evidence. I agree with John. Poor Saddam. My heart bleeds for him. Sympathetic Stephen /

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Thanks. Stacy. At 07:49 PM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. / ///

[ZION] Home automation

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any? Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// //

[ZION] Symbolic story

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
An angel appears at a faculty meeting and tells the dean that in return for his unselfish and exemplary behavior, the Lord will reward him with his choice of infinite wealth, wisdom, or beauty. Without hesitating, the dean selects infinite wisdom. "Done!" says the angel, and disappears in a

Re: [ZION] Home automation

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Isn't that what you got married for? Stephen Beecroft wrote: > Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any? > > Stephen > > "Why should I buy a dishwasher. I already have three: Marc, Craig and Karen." -- my Mom, circa 1968. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- G