RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:09 12/13/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > >Chet, my friend, that's "And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, > > > >wouldn't you?" > > > > Till the very helpful Evidently you can remember Gallegher & Sheen easier than I. (No, not Sledge-O-Matic Gallegher and

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:28 12/13/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review here, what does the list have to say about a stake president owning and using a motorcycle. I seem to remember some counsel when I was called about being a good example. R

Re:[ZION] My visit to SLC

2002-12-16 Thread Val
Are you sure you won't be wearing a red and white striped shirt and hat? Just Waldo-ing about. . . val -- Gary Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm enjoying my visit to SLC. Tomorrow night (Monday), I'll be seeing the Temple Square lights. If any of you are out there, I'll be the one w

Re: [ZION] The Two Towers (LOTR)

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Gregson
SPOILERS, don't read further, warning, show off about to be exposed as a fraud, humbug and charlatan: > 1) What is Gollum's real name? Smeagol (no last name given). And he wasn't a hobbit, despite what many have said in their reviews of the movie. He was a hobbit

Re: [ZION] The latest from Iraq

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > So let me get this straight. First you postulate that the Americans took > the materials first to hide the Pakistani connection. Then you use that > supposition to say "That's what I've been saying all along: Pakistan is far > more dangerous to you than Iraq." > > Did I ge

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Gregson
> Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review here, what >does the list have to say about a stake president owning and using a motorcycle. Speaking for the list as a whole (and I know that everyone is happy to let me speak for them, or if not, they should just

Re: [ZION] The latest from Iraq

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
No, Larry -- the U.S. insisted on looking it over first before giving it to other permanent members of the Security Council, which is only 5 nations (technically speaking, not the "UN" -- that implies the General Assembly). This was public news, I'm not making it up. Here's a post to an official US

[ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
I am glad to be one of the newest member of this list. By its description it is what I have been looking for - a list of LDS faithful ready to discuss without rancor. I live in Ogden and have been a member all of my life and with a heritage in the church back to the 1830's. But the testimony I e

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: Can someone explain to me how there could be total freedom of religion with people observing the Mosaic law? How can there have been a command against blasphemy and a death sentence if conditions like Alma portrays were true? How could there have been a climate of

Re: [ZION] Curiosity about Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: It had just occurred to me that it seemed that the Mosaic law, if properly followed, never allowed for true freedom. Am I really right on that one? If that is the case, wouldn't one say that that law was a law of force? I would not agree with this. A person under

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm always glad to see new people, even people I might recognize. But I would be worried if I saw someone I didn't like or want to see. What should I do if I should ever see someone suspicious on here? Stacy. At 11:01 AM 12/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: I am glad to be one of the newest member o

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
Geez, I am brand new and the first message wants to know what to do about the new guy. :-) What did I do to arouse such a reaction. :-) George - Original Message - From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ZION]

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: > I'm always glad to see new people, even people I might recognize. But I > > would be worried if I saw someone I didn't like or want to see. What > should I do if I should ever see someone suspicious on here? You should shriek "HEY, what's Chet doing here?!" *jeep! --

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Hey, George! Howyadoin'? Welcome to the list. You may see some familiar cyber-faces here. George Cobabe wrote: > I am glad to be one of the newest member of this list. By its description > it is what I have been looking for - a list of LDS faithful ready to discuss > without rancor. > > I live i

Re: [ZION] The Two Towers (LOTR)

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'm not a Tolkien fan -- nothing negative. I did read The Hobbit years ago but just never got around to any of the trilogy. So maybe this is funny, and maybe it isn't, but there was a cartoon in the latest New Yorker. You don't really need to see it to get it, I wouldn't think. TOLKIEN CHARACTE

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Tom Matkin
Mark, You may think motorcycle exhaust Is a sign of a soul that is lost But to contrast this view With Two Towers debut Is a sign that your have your threads crossed. Or to put it more logically, you have proposed a false dichotomy. Whether or not one enjoys LORT movies really has nothing to do w

Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Just by the by, yesterday (Sunday) we drove back from Taber and stopped at Gasoline Alley for a quick pit stop (for non-Albertans, Gasoline Alley is a strip of fast food and gas stations along the service roads on the south side of the city of Red Deer, which is midway between Calgary and Edmont

Re:Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Val
Don't take it personal, George, It's probably your last name. . .;-) Can this list handle another Cobabe?? :-o your sis in Mishawaka, IN val -- George Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Geez, I am brand new and the first message wants to know what to do about the new guy. :-) What d

RE: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Val- > Can this list handle another Cobabe?? :-o No, we can't have two Cobabes. At least one of them has to be the primary Babe. I suppose they'll have to decide between themselves which is better-looking. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Fortunately, no one is of that caliber here. But I do have to warn the list: Someone may be trying to chase me and that is bad. Stacy. At 06:30 PM 12/16/2002 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: > I'm always glad to see new people, even people I might recognize. But I > > would be worried i

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:56 12/16/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DV

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Not you. I'll take you any day over this other character. His last name is Wright. I'm not sure what to do if he decides to come on this list. See, what I'm worried about is a cyberstalker. Stacy. At 11:12 AM 12/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: Geez, I am brand new and the first message wants to

[ZION] Afghanistan improved?

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Contrary to what seems to be the general impression in the U.S. that Afghanistan has improved with the overthrow of the Taliban regime, there are signs that the ancien regime has returned -- the "Northern Alliance" was, of course, nothing but the original gang of thugs who ran the country, and acco

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
If one is not economically or politically free can they really decide what they should or should not do? Not really, in my opinion. This is where I may draw the line with some conservatives. Give me liberty or give me death:! Stacy. At 08:57 AM 12/16/2002 -0900, you wrote: Stacy Smith favor

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Tom Matkin wrote: > Mark, > But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that > motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use > the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's > leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each memb

[ZION] Stalkers (was: New guy)

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: > Fortunately, no one is of that caliber here. But I do have to warn the > list: Someone may be trying to chase me and that is bad. This IS bad. My wife just got finished shaking a cyber-stalker (who had been a classmate in her high school) and is still concerned about him

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: > Not you. I'll take you any day over this other character. His last > name > is Wright. So Wright is wrong. I'll have to remember that. *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." //

RE: [ZION] Stalkers (was: New guy)

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
I wrote (and I'll take the blame for it): >And John (our Beloved List Tyrant) can help you out as far as this >list >goes. Gee, wasn't it just swell of me to volunteer John like that? Sorry 'bout that, big guy. I let my outrage overpower my typing fingers when I should've e-mailed you first.

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'll give it a try (but of course keep in mind that I'm not defending it, just trying to explain it from a creedal Christian point of view). There are a number of variations of trinitarianism, but I'll stick with the basic one set up at the Council of Chalcedon. The creedal statement basically rea

[ZION] Calling a SLC trip a pilgrimage?

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
I always consider it a pilgrimage to see my family While in SLC, you have to make sure you circle the seagull statue 7 times counter clockwise Some consider seeing the sites almost as a pilgrimage, as it is spiritual in nature. I know the trips we've made to Nauvoo have been marvelous, es

[ZION] Just finished reading....

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
The key to reading so much of the GAs/scriptures and less television, is not how much you'll necessarily gain from their teachings, but the level of spirituality that will grow within you. Then, you will be able to have revealed to you personally many of the wondrous mysteries the Lord awaits to th

[ZION] algore

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
What do I think of John Kerrey? I think he is an honest man, which will be a refreshing change for a candidate from the Democratic party He is rather liberal on some issues, moderate on others. He works well with those on both sides of the aisle, and isn't an attack dog like Daschle or Gephard

[ZION] Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
It was originally designed for a theocracy, run under Moses and the priests. In such a theocracy, there is no other religion. Remember, Israel was commanded to destroy all the other peoples and religions in Palestine. The Nephites adapted it to their multi-peopled government, meaning backing off on

RE: [ZION] algore

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
Gary Smith wrote: --- What do I think of John Kerrey? --- It will indeed be refreshing to hear more about anyone but the sleazy crooks that seemed to represent the national Dems over the last few years. I have heard nice things about and from John Kerry. And since the party is currently so f

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
Hi George! Nice to see your sig here, welcome to the Zion list. I have found it to be a great refuge from the sanity of the world. ;-) Near as I can determine, George and I seem to be cousins--which probably accounts for the similarity in our last names. --- Jim Cobabe ///

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
But you don't know for sure? Interesting. Stacy. At 08:34 PM 12/16/2002 +, you wrote: Hi George! Nice to see your sig here, welcome to the Zion list. I have found it to be a great refuge from the sanity of the world. ;-) Near as I can determine, George and I seem to be cousins--which

RE: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Rick Mathis
At 07:14 PM 12/16/2002 +, Stephen wrote: No, we can't have two Cobabes. At least one of them has to be the primary Babe. I suppose they'll have to decide between themselves which is better-looking. But, Stephen, "CObabe" implies that there are at least two of them. I think the list is fina

[ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
SLC Mayor Rocky Anderson just announced a new proposed plan to settle the Main Street Plaza legal controversy. It appears that Mayor Rocky is ready to concede that the Church should have full control of Plaza access, and in exchange for offering this compromise, he suggests that the Church sh

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:28:22 -0700, "Tom Matkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Since Scott's motorcycle ownership has been given such a thorough review > here, what does the list have to say about a stake president owning and > using a motorcycle. Tom, Considering the intense discussion of my moto

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Gregson
> Or to put it more logically, you have proposed a false dichotomy. > Whether or not one enjoys LORT movies really has nothing to do with > whether or not one wants his daughter to ride on the back of a > motorcycle. Well, I got on the back of a motorbike once and it fell over. So I know th

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I say "off with BOTH their heads!" (that's an in joke they will both get). Rick Mathis wrote: > At 07:14 PM 12/16/2002 +, Stephen wrote: > > >No, we can't have two Cobabes. At least one of them has to be the > >primary Babe. I suppose they'll have to decide between themselves which > >is bett

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Jon Spencer
It's you last name. :-) Noj George Cobabe wrote: > Geez, I am brand new and the first message wants to know what to do about > the new guy. :-) What did I do to arouse such a reaction. :-) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: P

RE: [ZION] LOTR Two Towers

2002-12-16 Thread hkpage
Not me, but someone I knew in Kansas was named Eowyn. Her parents were LOTR fanatics. She had this wonderful long, wavy red hair that I just envied! Heidi the fair > [Original Message] > From: Johnna Cornett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/14/2002 12:40:18 AM > Subject:

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
George has to be better looking, because Jim is definitely smarter. But to tell you the truth if you have seen one Cobabe you will recognize the rest. Just happy to be here and living off what I suspect is the good name of good o'cousin Jim. George - Original Message - From: "Stephen Be

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
NO - that is wrong - the wrong one is Wright! THAT is right! Who's on second? George - Original Message - From: "Chet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy > > Stacy Smith wrote: > > Not you. I'll take you any

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
Stacy - we know for sure. Jim is able to determine pretty close. George - Original Message - From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy > But you don't know for sure? Interesting. > > Stacy. > > A

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS believe in a universal definition of Godhood, and what is entailed in that high station, and see infinite manifestations of that universal concept? What is "God" is a universal constant that many, many are exalted to conform with? If this is true - then

Re: [ZION]

2002-12-16 Thread hkpage
Glad to hear it! Heidi the fair Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Original Message] > From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/14/2002 10:51:46 AM > Subject: Re: [ZION] > > tumor benign > > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
I can tell you all that Marc forgets nothing. Cobabe is German for "to slay by removing the head" or executioner. George - Original Message - From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Re: New guy I s

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The problem is there's a trap for the innocent here. I know what you mean, and would agree with it. The problem is that Platonists would ascribe an *independent* existence to a characteristic. Kind of like turning an adjective into a noun. So "God" became an abstract and separate existence "an und

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Well, since I can't give you liberty . How do you want it? Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > If one is not economically or politically free can they really decide what > they should or should not do? Not really, in my opinion. This is where I > may draw the line with some conservatives. Give me l

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote: > My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of public opinion > turning against him in his legalistic maneuvering, and felt that it was > time to do some lawyerly wheeling and dealing. It would be a relief if > this settles the issue. I think the

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Rick Mathis wrote: > But, Stephen, "CObabe" implies that there are at least two of them. I > think the list is finally getting it right. Not true! You would have a coed at a school that had only one female student. She could also be called a Cobabe. Jon

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for. I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors action - but I do not hold out hope. George - Original Message - From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mo

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
Only if she was really good looking or very smart, but then most Cobabe Coeds were both! George - Original Message - From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Re: New guy > Rick Mathis wrote: > > But, Step

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
I find that to understand an apostate doctrine, at least in my limited manner, it is almost always possible to take the doctrine and see the truth from which it sprang (is sprang a word?). There are, I suspect, very few original doctrines in other religions, just variations and corruptions of the

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
There's one particular troublemaker named Kurt Van Gorden who will likely try to get himself arrested, and have the ACLU back his legal defence (he tends to work this way -- he sues everyone, into bankruptcy, if he can, but has no assets to speak of himself). That will be an interesting case. Jim

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Larry Jackson
Who's on first. What's on second. New Guy must the name of the outfielder whose name I never got. Larry Jackson ___ George Cobabe: NO - that is wrong - the wrong one is Wright! THAT is right! Who's on second? S

Re: [ZION] Iran's Nukes

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Is this a new thread, or a continuation of an old one? I didn't know Iran had nukes. Chet wrote: > May I see a show of hands of those who are surprised that there's been > evidence since September? Now a show of hands that believe the > facilities are for peaceful purposes? > > Y'know, after 196

[ZION] Crokinole: Canada's unknown Christmas favourite game

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Crokinole has come out of the closet and back onto the tables at Christmastime family reunions: <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021216/UROYYN/Columnists/columnists/columnistsNational_temp/1/1/4/.. I am the BEST 20-point shooter in my entire extended family.

[ZION] Canada watch: First Nations leader comes under attack for anti-Semiticr

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Past chief of the Assembly of First Nations, David Ahenakew, has come under all kinds of attacks for some rather incredible Jew-bashing. I cannot believe anyone, let alone a leader of his supposed stature, could say the kind of things that are being alleged. If true, I would agree that he should ha

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- If one is not economically or politically free can they really decide what they should or should not do? Not really, in my opinion. This is where I may draw the line with some conservatives. Give me liberty or give me death:! --- Interestingly, we are able to enjoy ec

RE: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jon Spencer wrote: --- No. I think that Satan was gaining something here as well. --- Provocative thought. Whereby does Satan gain, in this world? Perhaps in stirring up the hearts of men to anger and contention. (This is where the lawyers come in.) But a consistent lesson from the scriptu

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
Mark Gregson wrote: > Well, I got on the back of a motorbike once and it fell over. So I know > that they must be dangerous. I was zipping along a Missouri road back in 1975 and fell off my motorcycle. Luckily, my fall was broken by my face on the pavement or I could've hurt myself. So it'

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Chet
George Cobabe wrote: > NO - that is wrong - the wrong one is Wright! THAT is right! > > Who's on second? OK, once more -- it's WHAT on second. Who is on first. Don't mess around with the infield. > - Original Message - > From: "Chet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sen

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Marc A. Schindler favored us with: There's one particular troublemaker named Kurt Van Gorden who will likely try to get himself arrested, and have the ACLU back his legal defence (he tends to work this way -- he sues everyone, into bankruptcy, if he can, but has no assets to speak of himself). T

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for. I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors action - but I do not hold out hope. Thanks to public education and television most people will believe anythin

Re: [ZION] algore

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gary Smith favored us with: What do I think of John Kerrey? I think he is an honest man, which will be a refreshing change for a candidate from the Democratic party He is rather liberal on some issues, moderate on others. He works well with those on both sides of the aisle, and isn't an attac

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: George has to be better looking, because Jim is definitely smarter. But to tell you the truth if you have seen one Cobabe you will recognize the rest. Just happy to be here and living off what I suspect is the good name of good o'cousin Jim. Well, you couldn't ha

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Paul Osborne
Hi George, I'm glad you came to the Zion list. I have enjoyed your postings at FAIR. I'm sure you will find the Zion list to be a place of refuge. Sometimes we argue a little but we learn so much. This is a list where members really care about each other. I've only been here a couple years and the

Re: [ZION] Just finished reading....

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gary Smith favored us with: People rarely gain revelation from watching tv shows, regardless of how exciting or neat they are. But when we concentrate in the spiritual realm, we attune ourselves to the spiritual things. For me, their words are great, but even greater is the spiritual insight I gai

Re: [ZION] NOMA: A Contrarian view

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim Cobabe wrote: > Steven, > > NOMA is a contemptuous science insider's joke--a condescending pat on > the head for the idiot child. > NOMA is also very similar to what the 1P said in 1931 in the last official statement on the origin of man: leave science to the scientists and religion to the

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: No, no keep the bike, just don't grease your hair and get a misshapen eagle on your forearm. Motorcycles are kewl. Have to admit though, they're not so great right about this time of year. That depends on whether you live in the northern or southern hemisph

Re: [ZION] Iran's Nukes

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Is this a new thread, or a continuation of an old one? I didn't know Iran had nukes. I have some anxiety that we may soon find out who has and does not have nukes. --JWR // /// ZION

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
Thank you, Paul. I have learned that you are a good one to have in a corner. George - Original Message - From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] New guy > Hi George, > > I'm glad you came to the Zion l

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Jim the Babe wrote: > > Jon Spencer wrote: > --- > No. I think that Satan was gaining something here as well. > --- > > Provocative thought. Whereby does Satan gain, in this world? Perhaps > in stirring up the hearts of men to anger and contention. (This is > where the lawyers come in.) But a

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the > Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave > him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. > > It was pure, illogical gibberish, with many hidden (

Re: [ZION] How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian Concept of God

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
If you want to learn more about trinitarianism (albeit from an LDS pov, where I attack it), I've written 2 versions out of a planned series of 3. The first was printed in FAIR's early series of monthly newsletters, and was the "short" version. The "medium" version is on my website at http://www.mem

[ZION] trinitarianism

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I can't find the email where I gave the link to the article on trinitarianism on my website, but I went to the site, and found that the article isn't in very good shape (the formatting is inconsistent and the footnotes are all messed up). So if you wait a few days I'll try to whip it into better sh

Re: [ZION] Afghanistan improved?

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Contrary to what seems to be the general impression in the U.S. that Afghanistan has improved with the overthrow of the Taliban regime, there are signs that the ancien regime has returned -- the "Northern Alliance" was, of course, nothing but the original gang of

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: I am glad to be one of the newest member of this list. By its description it is what I have been looking for - a list of LDS faithful ready to discuss without rancor. Well, there are moments of rancor, but like a faithful family we try to keep it to a minimum. I

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: I'm always glad to see new people, even people I might recognize. But I would be worried if I saw someone I didn't like or want to see. What should I do if I should ever see someone suspicious on here? Write private email to John W. Redelfs or Gary Smith, the two

RE: [ZION] Stalkers (was: New guy)

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Chet favored us with: I wrote (and I'll take the blame for it): >And John (our Beloved List Tyrant) can help you out as far as this >list >goes. Gee, wasn't it just swell of me to volunteer John like that? Sorry 'bout that, big guy. I let my outrage overpower my typing fingers when I should've

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Jim Cobabe favored us with: "Church members who seek to use LDS doctrine as a basis for concluding that government infringements on inalienable rights have excused them from obeying the law seem to have forgotten the principle of following the prophets. Until the prophets invoke this principle, fa

RE: [ZION] Iran's Nukes

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- I have some anxiety that we may soon find out who has and does not have nukes. --- There were some misleading news reports on this, I think. In the headlines last Friday. Those rotten news guys, they're always trying to increase John's anxiety. :-) Some of the he

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
You are saying WHAT is right? I thought Wright was wrong? If Wright is What, then who is wrong? Is that right, or is George wrong? And if that is the case it will be necessary to start all over again. Could that be right, wright. or wrong? George - Original Message - From: "Chet" <[E

Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS believe in a universal definition of Godhood, and what is entailed in that high station, and see infinite manifestations of that universal concept? What is "God" is a universal constant that many, many are exalted to confor

[ZION] prayer of the day

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
They don't make 'em like that old curmudgeon Samuel Johnson anymore (Johnson is probably best known for his dictionary, one of the earliest English dictionaries). This prayer is meant not to be whispered, but to be proclaimed by one with good lungs and a well-buttoned waistcoat [pronounced wes'cut,

[ZION] 'Twas the Night Before Christmas...out on the desert sands

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
By a smart-aleck Canadian (Bruce Calder) > 'Twas the Night Before Christmas 2002 > by Bruce H.G. Calder > http://www.calder.net/ > > >'Twas the night before Christmas, when outside Iraq, >American soldiers prepared to attack; >The U.N. inspectors had search

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Rick Mathis
At 09:16 PM 12/16/2002 -0600, Paul wrote: Hi George, I'm glad you came to the Zion list. I have enjoyed your postings at FAIR. I'm sure you will find the Zion list to be a place of refuge. Sometimes we argue a little but we learn so much. So, George, what's your favourite calibre? Rick Mathis

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-George- > Could that be right, wright. or wrong? The "W" should be capitalized. Write "Wright" right. (But don't fixate on it to the point that you feel compelled to do so, or you'll find yourself performing the "Write 'Wright' right" rite.) Stephen ///

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Just so long as that other guy named Wright doesn't come along. Well, I'm sure you'll look out for him. He might be trouble. Stacy. At 09:16 PM 12/16/2002 -0600, you wrote: Hi George, I'm glad you came to the Zion list. I have enjoyed your postings at FAIR. I'm sure you will find the Zion li

[ZION] The latest from Iraq

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
Actually, the permanent members of the Security Council all received it at the same time. Russia condemned the document at the same time the US did. It was the temporary members who received the delayed copy, to ensure classified nuclear information did not slip out into the hands of non-nuclear co

[ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
First off, welcome to George, whom I am acquainted with on another list. Second, to answer Stacy: JWR and I keep an eye on things here. If you see or hear something that concerns you, let us know in private email and we'll look into it. I've personally checked George Cobabe's financial investment

[ZION] LOTR

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
Hm. First Tom Matkin claims to dislike LOTR, and now Marc says he isn't a fan. Maybe there is something in the water up there in Canada??? Mark Gregson doesn't seem to be affected much by it, but it may just be a matter of time. If I notice Mark discussing the benefits of socialized medic

[ZION] LOTR

2002-12-16 Thread Gary Smith
Spoiler warning Mark Gregson gave some answers, but not all were correct. Here are the corrected ones: > 4) Who is Gollum's friend that helps him? Mark: He didn't have any friends. He _claimed_ to have powerful friends, meaning of course Sauron and his evil minions. They did help h

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Well said. This country has not done anything that would make me wish to disobey its laws. But I have an interesting file by an Institute teacher on agency. If anybody wants it I would be inclined to send it privately. Stacy. At 02:58 AM 12/17/2002 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: ---

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Yes, I like those funny jokes too. I was being serious but I don't mind the jokes. Stacy. At 11:31 PM 12/16/2002 +, you wrote: Who's on first. What's on second. New Guy must the name of the outfielder whose name I never got. Larry Jackson ___ George Cobabe: NO - that is wr

[ZION] Doctrine

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I can see this very well. Stacy. At 04:21 PM 12/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: I find that to understand an apostate doctrine, at least in my limited manner, it is almost always possible to take the doctrine and see the truth from which it sprang (is sprang a word?). There are, I suspect, ver

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Can I call from out of state? Stacy. At 04:08 PM 12/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for. I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors action - but I do not hold out hope. George - Original Mess

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