Hmhm, that is cool, I'll take another look then :)
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From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Tw
take a chill pill.
i'm *just* asking for a clarification about
gpl-compatiblity. i'm not asking for zope to be
released under the gpl.
why, because there are alot of quality gpl programs
that i would like to legally use and integrate with
zope. specifically in this case aolserver.
just as bad a
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:28:32 -0700
kapil thangavelu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> thanks for the license clarification.
>
> i didn't mean to suggest that its not a good idea to work on it.
>
> i was hoping that someone from zc would give some sort of status update to
> paul's statements from
People waste much more time arguing about the GPL license, than it would
take for them to completely rewrite the entire Python and Zope code base
from scratch under the GPL.
So if you can't live with a non-GPL license, then instead of arguing about
it, get yourself to work rewriting a new system f
On Thursday 11 October 2001 03:30 am, Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> kapil thangavelu wrote:
> > twisted is GPL and zope is not gpl compatible and that does not appear to
> > be changing despite some mention from zc about trying to achieve
> > compatiblity.
>
> Twisted is LGPL, and it might be po
Phil Harris wrote:
> That said, I think JPE/PJE is the best way forward, but this problem needs
> to be solved (if it hasn't already).
Latest CVS README says:
Multithreading
==
Multithreading issues are taken care of.
There is still a known issues concerning process termination
(non
to be solved (if it hasn't already).
Phil
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From: "Tim Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
There is another approach however for getting Java and Zope together
A few weeks back I was mucking around with the Python Java Extension
(see Python 9 proceedings) and was able to interact with Java
classes/instances directly from Zope by calling ExternalMethods. PJE
basically allows the Java
egards,
> --
> Bjorn
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Itamar Shtull-Trauring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Posted At: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 18:11
> > Posted To: Zope Developer
> > Conversation: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa
> &g
kapil thangavelu wrote:
> twisted is GPL and zope is not gpl compatible and that does not appear to be
> changing despite some mention from zc about trying to achieve compatiblity.
Twisted is LGPL, and it might be possible to license it under something that
will work with ZPL. I don't think th
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 18:11
> Posted To: Zope Developer
> Conversation: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa
> with Twisted
> Subject: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
>
>
> Actually, this brin
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 08:09 am, Michel Pelletier wrote:
>
> Just to throw out another idea, Amos has discussed with me in the past the
> idea of replacing medusa with Apache 2.0. Compelling as many of Twisted's
> features may be, Apache 2.0 as far as i can tell supports many of them as
> w
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 04:41 am, Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> > this sounds good for me. One would have to see it
> > in the wild. Would you be able to do a sample integration
> > for testing?
>
> It's not that I actually have the time for it, nor do I have enough
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 07:49 am, Michel Pelletier wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:12:24 +0200
>
> Itamar Shtull-Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1) Medusa is working *now*. This is of course the main reason why not to
> > switch. I dunno how deeply integrated Zope is with ZServer.
>
> > How about Tux? Would that even make sense?
>
> Nope, TUX is linux-only.
I think the point is to make an easily changeable front end that allows
ZServer to be easily replaced with server x. Be it Tux or IIS or YAWS (Yet
Another Web Server).
Cheers.
--
Andy McKay.
On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 10:47, Andreas Jung wrote:
>
> From: "Michael R. Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 09:42, Andy McKay wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely it may be more work but being able to eventually plug in your
> > > own
> > > front end would be great, be it ZServer
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From: "Michael R. Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Andy McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 13:47
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
>
On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 09:42, Andy McKay wrote:
> > I think a general proposal for "Pluggable front-ends" would be better
> > received. I know there has been talk about dropping ZServer in favor of
> > Apache 2.0. What would be nice would be to have options.
>
> Absolutely it may be more work but
> > Thing is that from what I see win32 is the most popular
> platform for Zope
>
> Actually I think win32 is in the minority. A poll on ZopeZen (totally
> unscientific) showed about 60% run on Linux.
Our server logs always show win32 binary downloads as far and away the
winner. That doesn't m
> I think a general proposal for "Pluggable front-ends" would be better
> received. I know there has been talk about dropping ZServer in favor of
> Apache 2.0. What would be nice would be to have options.
Absolutely it may be more work but being able to eventually plug in your own
front end would
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 10:49 am, Michel Pelletier allegedly wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:12:24 +0200
>
> Itamar Shtull-Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1) Medusa is working *now*. This is of course the main reason why not to
> > switch. I dunno how deeply integrated Zope is with Z
On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 06:17, seb bacon wrote:
> * Phil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011010 15:25]:
> > Thing is that from what I see win32 is the most popular platform for Zope
> > (I'm including experimenters here though, not just production sites).
>
> Last time I looked at the zope.org download
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:05:06 +0200
Itamar Shtull-Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2) Plugging in a different transports instead of TCP (e.g. SSL) is much
> easier in Twisted than medusa, as far as I can tell. In m2crypto's medusa
> ssl code very protocol needs its own subclass in order supp
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:25:09 +0100
"Phil Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But kosh, we all know your hatred of all things Microsoft.
>
> You're absolutely right, it could be fixed, and probably should be as well.
>
> Thing is that from what I see win32 is the most popular platform for Zope
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:12:24 +0200
Itamar Shtull-Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) Medusa is working *now*. This is of course the main reason why not to
> switch. I dunno how deeply integrated Zope is with ZServer.
ZServer and the Zope application interface through a pretty clean bound
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> But kosh, we all kno
Andreas Jung wrote:
> The Medusa architecture is also more or less generic and extendable.
1) I've talked to at least one person who had trouble integrating an
external protocol into Zope, and ended up running it as a seperate process
and communicating over XML-RPC.
2) Plugging in a different
seb bacon wrote:
>>Thing is that from what I see win32 is the most popular platform for Zope
>>(I'm including experimenters here though, not just production sites).
>>
>
> Last time I looked at the zope.org download stats, it was about 2/3
> windows downloads...
Keep in mind that Zope comes pr
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From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 06:11
Subject: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
> Actually, this brings up this idea I had - Zope s
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> this sounds good for me. One would have to see it
> in the wild. Would you be able to do a sample integration
> for testing?
>
It's not that I actually have the time for it, nor do I have enough
knowledge of Zope's medusa integration. I was rather hoping someone from D
* Phil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011010 15:25]:
> Thing is that from what I see win32 is the most popular platform for Zope
> (I'm including experimenters here though, not just production sites).
Last time I looked at the zope.org download stats, it was about 2/3
windows downloads...
seb
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Phil Harris wrote:
> But kosh, we all know your hatred of all things Microsoft.
>
How did you ever guess? Hmm my prejudices must be showing through again.
;)
> You're absolutely right, it could be fixed, and probably should be as well.
>
My guess is that it will be also. I
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> Any ideas what the performance would be compared to medusa?
Nope. However, it is pretty fast, and Zope is slow anyway, since it's so
dynamic.
>>4) Good integration with threads - while event based, twisted has a very
>>nice model for dealing with threaded apps.
>>
>
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Phil Harris wrote:
>
> > I'd say the fact that it doesn't work on Win32 is a bit of a downer.
> >
> Just a bit but overall I expect t
Not for me, get all sorts of socket errors
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From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
> Phil
but, I'm just about to try 0.11, so my opinion may change.
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From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa w
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Phil Harris wrote:
> I'd say the fact that it doesn't work on Win32 is a bit of a downer.
>
Just a bit but overall I expect that could be changed if it where really
important. From what I have seen under high load and python program will
kill windows after a few days with som
Phil Harris wrote:
> I'd say the fact that it doesn't work on Win32 is a bit of a downer.
Last I checked twisted ran fine on win32.
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Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] A modest proposal: Replace medusa with Twisted
> Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> >
> > Actually, this brings up this idea I had - Zope should replace medusa
with
> > Twisted.
>
> Well, you're advocating this, so it's fair to pa
Hi Itamar,
this sounds good for me. One would have to see it
in the wild. Would you be able to do a sample integration
for testing?
At the same time unmeshing the publishing process sounds
sexy to me...
Regards
Tino
--On Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2001 12:11 +0200 Itamar Shtull-Trauring
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Chris Withers wrote:
> Well, you're advocating this, so it's fair to paint a rosy picture.
And I'm a Twisted developer, so I'm even more biased :) Though the overall
design was not done by me, and was what convinced me to use it in the first
place.
> Can anyone see what the downsides would be
Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> Actually, this brings up this idea I had - Zope should replace medusa with
> Twisted. Why, you ask?
>
Any ideas what the performa
Oops, forgot the URL: http://www.twistedmatrix.com/
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Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
>
> Actually, this brings up this idea I had - Zope should replace medusa with
> Twisted.
Well, you're advocating this, so it's fair to paint a rosy picture.
Can anyone see what the downsides would be?
In any case, it does look cool. Perhaps a fishbowl proposal wou
Actually, this brings up this idea I had - Zope should replace medusa with
Twisted. Why, you ask?
1) Twisted separates transport from protocols, and the event loop it uses is
extendable and generic. That means:
- It can run on Jython (using threads, someday with java.nio), and it can
be
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