Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-05-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2007-5-3 17:42 +0200: On 4/26/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-4-25 22:13 +0200: ... But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that magic. If I see at class level a function call grok.context(something), this

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-05-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christopher Lozinski wrote at 2007-5-3 09:12 -0700: ... I would love to see detailed documentation of Zope Product Classes. While a bit outdated, the Zope Developper Guide is still a major help. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-05-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 4/26/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-4-25 22:13 +0200: ... But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that magic. If I see at class level a function call grok.context(something), this does not look like comprehensible magic. It sets

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-05-03 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 4/26/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-4-25 22:13 +0200: ... But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that magic. If I see at class level a function call grok.context(something), this does not look like

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-05-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
From people's comments, here and on the archetypes mailing list, I am pretty convinced that there is support for a through the web editing environment, even from Alexander Limi, expert on human interfaces and co-author of Plone. You have an incredibly annoying tendency to take the words of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-4-25 22:13 +0200: ... But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that magic. If I see at class level a function call grok.context(something), this does not look like comprehensible magic. -- Dieter ___

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-4-19 07:52 +0200: ... ZClasses surely was an easy way to create CRUD applications in Zope 2. However, apart from many technical difficulties that are ZClasses, I personally find that through-the-web (TTW) development is actually hurting Zope and the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-25 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 25. April 2007 21:51:24 +0200 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your (stripped away) example, I saw lots of magic (e.g. grok.context, grok.name, @grok.action). But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that magic. For me (several years back), Zope's

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-25 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:13:43 -0400, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 25. April 2007 21:51:24 +0200 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your (stripped away) example, I saw lots of magic (e.g. grok.context, grok.name, @grok.action). But readable and comprehensible

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-25 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 25. April 2007 16:35:54 -0400 Kapil Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who used ZClasses intensively, I believe yes. As so often, I disagree and must second Philipp. i'd agree with andreas but for one thing, restarting the app server for minor code changes is painful..

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Apr 2007, at 08:25 , Christopher Lozinski wrote: The problem with upgrading ZClasses is that it would break the zope security models, and the Zope Product Model. That depends on what you by upgrading ZClasses. To make them continue to work, simpler changes will probably suffice. It

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-19 Thread Alan Milligan
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I do have an accounting application I want to bring up quickly, and this seems to me the fastest way to bring it up, but also to have an upgrade path to the future. We do http://www.last-bastion.net/BastionLedger which is a full double entry general ledger with an

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I thought, hey, I bet a million people need such a simple web app. Let us make it really easy to implement craigslist or better. Let me go ahead and create a ZClass product, and go ahead and distribute it. Lots of people would use it. Or at least enough to

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects, which role gets to see which fields,

[Zope-dev] Re: Killer App for ZClasses

2007-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christopher Lozinski wrote: I need a very simple app. Just 1 ZClass, an invoice object. Not even subitems on the invoice. I want to create these ZClasses, I want a table of these ZClasses, I want to be able to say which role gets to create these objects,