[Zope3-dev] zope 3 sprint at EuroPython?

2006-05-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Is anyone planning a Zope 3 sprint at EuroPython? And if so, in the days before or the days after EP? Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archi

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible at this time? That a request/response must quickly run to completion on a thread and canno

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Jeff Rush wrote: > Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP > streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional > persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible > at this time? That a request/response must quickly run to completio

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Benji York
Jeff Rush wrote: Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible at this time? Don't know if it is or isn't, but that's a novel definitio

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
Benji York wrote: Jeff Rush wrote: Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible at this time? Don't know if it is or isn't, but tha

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Zachery Bir
On May 15, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Jeff Rush wrote: Benji York wrote: Jeff Rush wrote: Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi- directional persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible at

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Jeff Rush wrote: Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT possible at this time? That a request/response must quickly run to completion on

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Benji York
Zachery Bir wrote: I think Benji's commenting on the fact that you're creating a synchronous connection when you hold it open like that. Exactly. As Jean-Marc noted, Jeff's talking more about "streaming" than "asynchronicity" (is that a word?). FWIW, I've been using MochiKit's Async packag

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jim Washington
Jeff Rush wrote: > Benji York wrote: >> Jeff Rush wrote: >> >>> Just checking if I'm missing something -- with the removal of HTTP >>> streaming/chunking in 3.2, this means that the async bi-directional >>> persistent socket communications associated with Ajax is NOT >>> possible at this time? >> >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/15/06, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I got the definition from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX "Ajax, shorthand for Asynchronous JavaScript+CSS+DOM+XMLHttpRequest, is a Web development technique for creating interactive web applications." From the page of the guy tha

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
Benji York wrote: Zachery Bir wrote: I think Benji's commenting on the fact that you're creating a synchronous connection when you hold it open like that. Exactly. As Jean-Marc noted, Jeff's talking more about "streaming" than "asynchronicity" (is that a word?). Well the connection itsel

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Zachery Bir
On May 15, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Jeff Rush wrote: Benji York wrote: Zachery Bir wrote: I think Benji's commenting on the fact that you're creating a synchronous connection when you hold it open like that. Exactly. As Jean-Marc noted, Jeff's talking more about "streaming" than "asynchronicity"

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Mon, 15 May 2006 18:49:24 +0100, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I looked at MochiKit and studied the Async package, but perhaps I didn't understand it. I only saw ways for the client to sneak HTTP REQUESTSs to the server behind the user's back, but nothing for the server to reach

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread dev
Hi all, There is such a thing in z3! Or at least in the "new" zope3.org implemnetation ;-) I remember that Uwe Oestermeier was developing something like a livepage which can receive and send streams of HTML on a open request. See this for more information, but don't ask me if it's working. htt

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
do you mean HTTP streaming? http://ajaxpatterns.org/HTTP_Streaming After reading that excellent article, yes, that is what I mean. I want to use Donovan Preston's LivePage technology, which is described in a link from tha article, under Zope3. I recently noticed something that makes it tr

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Uwe Oestermeier
Hi Roger, hi Jeff, Roger wrote: > >See this for more information, but don't ask me if it's working. > >http://svn.zope.org/zope3org/trunk/src/zorg/live/README.txt?rev=66712&view=markup > It works at least for our purposes. We are using an experimental LivePage application here at our institute. "E

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
Fred Drake wrote: On 5/15/06, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I got the definition from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX Yes; we agree on this definition of AJAX, I think. :-) Sorry, I was addressing what I erroneously thought was confusion over what the 'A' meant.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rush
Tarek Ziadé wrote: Jeff Rush wrote: what does your code actually do ? Provide a chat window at the bottom of a page, in which a student interacts with a teaching app and members of his team. In the upper portion of the page, the teaching app alternately presents proficency questionaires and

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/15/06, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now that's odd, because to me having 1,000 clients repeatedly poll the server every second, and potentially tearing down/making new TCP connections is less scalable than on a modern OS keeping around 1,000 threads or twisted Well, if you're certa

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Uwe Oestermeier
Jeff Rush wrote: > >Provide a chat window at the bottom of a page, in which a student >interacts >with a teaching app and members of his team. In the upper portion of the >page, the teaching app alternately presents proficency questionaires and >lessons. This seems to be very similar to our "li

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Paul Everitt
Jeff Rush wrote: Benji York wrote: Zachery Bir wrote: I think Benji's commenting on the fact that you're creating a synchronous connection when you hold it open like that. Exactly. As Jean-Marc noted, Jeff's talking more about "streaming" than "asynchronicity" (is that a word?). Well th

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Balazs Ree
On Mon, 15 May 2006 19:02:15 +0100, Martin Aspeli wrote: > I'm pretty sure the fundamental AJAX pattern is that you send > XMLHttpRequests on some event, either a timer (so it polls) or a user > action (e.g. an on-click handler). I've never seen the pattern of a > persistent connection ... if you h

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 lacks Ajax capability?

2006-05-15 Thread Balazs Ree
On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:19:02 +0200, Paul Everitt wrote: > Mozilla has some support for keeping the server connection open and > pushing messages to the client: > >http://www.xulplanet.com/tutorials/mozsdk/serverpush.php > > Two asides: > > 1) Is this better for zope3-users? That's good news

[Zope3-dev] BBB

2006-05-15 Thread Adam Groszer
Hi there, I'm working on removing BBB warnings of our current app for 3.3. For the directive it was possible to give the factory some parameters like this: Now, with the directive that's not possible. -- Best regards, Adam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quote of the d