The closest thing to a secure PDA that I have found is the Blackberry device
- we did an evaluation, and they actually came out pretty good.

Connie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay D. Dyson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:06 PM
To: Security-Basics List
Subject: Re: Secure PDAs - an oxymoron?


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On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have been tasked with finding a way to supply secure PDAs to a
> Marketing Team. These devices will contain extremely sensitive
> information and I have recommended that the current state of the PDA art
> means that these devices cannot be properly secured but have been
> overruled! 

        Sad to say, this tends to be the rule rather than the exception. 
Those of us who know what the devil is going on are often capriciously
overruled in the name of Convenience.  But just wait 'til all hell all
hell breaks loose and watch where the fingers point. 

        To that end, there's a practice I started long ago that seems to
keep this sort of thing to a minimum.  Basically, when I put forth
recommendations and they are overruled, I follow it up with a piece of
paper that the overruling parties *MUST* sign which indicates that they
have read and understood my recommendations and have chosen to not follow
them. 

        There's something about forcing people to put their John Hancock
on a piece of paper that outlines the risks they're apparently willing to
take in the name of convenience.  For one thing, it gets the security
advisor the hook and places them right on it.  Tends to make security
detractors seriously rethink their position.

> Am I right? 

        Yes, you are right.  PDAs are not built for security.  Never have
been.  Hell, the folks at @Stake (formerly the l0pht) have practically
made it their *hobby* to show the plague of security issues that exist
with PDAs (http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/index.html). 

        This isn't to say that PDAs are a bad thing.  My Palm Pilot is the
digital equivalent of a microwave oven.  I got along fine without it
before I had it...but now that I have it, I can't imagine a day without
the little beastie.  Even so, I won't put *anything* I consider remotely
sensitive on it.

> Can anyone recommend a way of securing these devices out in the field? 

        In a manner of speaking.  First, you'll need to disable every
wireless networking convenience associated with them (that means no
infrared, too); disable the "hotsync" functionality; sync data only to a
hardened non-networked system; and keep it locked in a trusted safe when
not in use.  (Because of their small size, theft is always a major issue.) 

> Is one make inherently more secure than another?  Can anyone recommend
> software or hardware add-ons which can help secure these devices? Is
> ther any way to prevent the PDA user from making unauthorised changes
> (e.g. using policies)? 

        Not that I know of.

> The environment they will need to connect to comprises WinNT4 network
> with WinNT4 PCs.

        I hold out little hope for security, but that's my personal bias
courtesy of a long history in dealing with the fallout from NT system
breaches. 

- -Jay

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