That would be true if both NOS's required equal intuition to
master...but they don't...I can stumble around in MS and see
configurational windows--and usually find what I'm looking for...but on
a 'NIX box, you have to specifically enter in commands (read: know the
commands)to configure each aspect of the NOS. Sure, there are windowed
GUI interfaces available, but then, it becomes Windows, doesn't it?
I agree that once you have mastered the NOS's, that the effort to
achieve that is, in fact, equal. It's just that the newbie would find it
easier to have a visual representation and configurational groups to
learn from--i.e. "figuring it out" is easier. 

I think that better analogies might be:
>Driving with an automatic versus a stick shift. 
>Using a manual camera versus an automatic camera

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree!



-----Original Message-----
From: Chisholm Wildermuth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:55 PM
To: Robert Buel
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Webservers

I disagree,

It's like the difference of learning the QWERTY keyboard layout compared
to
DVORAK.  Once you learn one it's hard to switch, but the learning curve
on
both are probably equal if you're just starting out. 

Chisholm Wildermuth
Systems Engineer
dbWebNet, Inc.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Buel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:15 AM
To: 'Peter Thoenen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Webservers

Guys-

I will be a heretic and vote for IIS--you can install it in about 1
minute, easy to use, just like Apache, keep up on your patches! :)
As far as the CLI, I have mixed feelings. I'm dumb as a rock about 'NIX,
and the biggest problem I have is that you have so much overhead to
learn to do the simplest things. Even if you look it up in the
"man-pages" (I think that's right) you still might end up re-compiling
something to get it to run!
At least with the GUI, you run help, and just click the link in help to
run the task...also, if you know there's a window that will configure
it, you can always hunt around and find it...
Finally, there are a billion books out there on windows, and technet as
well.
But, of course, if you know 'NIX, it is easier to administer for you,
and if you know Windows, it would be easier to administer! To me, the
only sticking point here is that if you don't know either one, the GUI
is faster to learn!

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Thoenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 12:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Webservers

Depends how you define easy to administer :) ... In my head it is easier

  to do all configuration options and server directives out of a single 
flat text file and the ability to run all server commands via the 
command line either at the terminal or with open-ssh.  This is of course

as opposed to a millions windows with 
subwindows/directories/files/hidden options/registery hacks, but maybe 
thats just me :) .  There are are some GUI apache configuration tools 
out there but couldn't give you any offhand as I have never really 
looked for any.

Peter


Tom Geldner wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Bremer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>>number of reasons. Can people here suggest a low-cost (or free),
>>>secure, easy-to-administer replacement??
>>
>>Apache.  Version 1.3.x of Apache doesn't perform as well as IIS
>>when running on windows, but since you said it was a low volume
>>web site, it should be fine.  If you need the performance, you can
>>try the new Apache 2.x.  The initial benchmarks shows that it
>>performs as well as IIS when running on windows.  Apache 2.x is
>>pretty new, but I'll bet it's still far more secure than IIS.
> 
> 
> OK, so far it's Apache 10 votes. Anything else, 0 votes. <G> The one
> thing that's kept me from trying it is the implementation. Remember,
> one of my criteria was "easy-to-administer" and I've heard that Apache
> is totally command/console driven vs. web or gui administerable.
> 
> Tom G
> 


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