Maybe this will help.
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,24330,9165,00.htm
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It is magnectic polarity at work not as fancy as atoms.  You may be
looking for this 

http://www.qubit.org/


Trevor Cushen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Darden [mailto:dld2517@;yahoo.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2002 04:35
To: John Orr; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Interesting One


John,

Think atomically.  There can be millions of atoms in a apace the size of
a pin tip.  A write head need not turn every atom in a layer of magnetic
material one way or the other.  It only needs to turn just enough
'clearly' one way in order for the read head to pick it up again.  If we
talk about a layer of magnetic material that is just .0001" thick we are
still talking about layers upon layers upon layers (need I go on....) of
atomic material.

It can be done!


Dan Darden.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Orr [mailto:JOrr@;austinbank.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:15 PM
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  Personally, I think he is full of... hot air.

  Bits are either "on" or "off", "1" or "0".  If you change that pattern
(i.e. write over the same data area with a different sequence of bits),
then the previous state of that field would not be determinable.
Granted, there may be some residual magnetic field left on a particular
area that is now "0" that had been "1", but the converse would not be
true.  There would be no residual field to read on an area that is now
"1" that had been "0".

  Sounds like sales fluff to me.

  Anyway, that is my opinion, based on years of experience and a good
knowledge of physics.

-John

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>>> "Dave Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/28/02 04:06PM >>>
Greetings Folks,

I had an interesting conversation today with someone from FAST
(Federation Against Software Theft) They pretend not to be a snitch wing
of the BSA. Anyway, to get to the point, the guy that came to see me
said that their forensics guys could read data off a hard drive that had
been written over up to thirty times. I find this very hard to believe
and told him I thought he was mistaken but the guy was adamant that it
could be done. My question is, does anyone have any views on this, or,
can anyone point me to a source of information where I can get the facts
on exactly how much data can be retrieved off a hard drive and under
what conditions etc etc.

Thanks

Dave Adams



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