One more time. I'll admit to being sucked in one last time. :-( This really will be my last word on this thread, label that however makes you feel better about it.
I can only assume you live in a bubble of self involvement. You outright said in earlier posts that you have no security issues, that you have no need for security tools, that you have fixed or selected software where no security issues exist and do not require security prevention. Perhaps you want to clarify what you really meant as opposed to what you actually said? Which part of you have solved all security issues did I misinterpret? I am not interested in bashing Linux or any other OS users. I am against arrogant admins or users (of any OS) who feel they have all the answers and dispense advice based on that assumption. Unfortunately for the growth potential of a promising OS, *some* of the more vocal Linux users tend to be very immature, arrogant and closed to learning new things. Sadly, this has caused Linux (most flavors) to remain a struggling platform. I would like to see it be otherwise, it has tremendous potential for specific areas. What planet are you from? You did not know that IBM and HP make some of the most widely used and secure UNIX flavors? Or are you just grasping for a bashing implement by pretending to be a master of semantics? Hey! I've got an idea (based on your apparent logic pattern). It might rain somewhere one day. Just never go outside, then you don't need a raincoat. You clearly limit the options of whoever it is you are consulting for with that kind of approach. I do not recommend anyone here take that lead. Yes, the original subject of this thread. Take note that I have made suggestions, repeatedly, in every post geared directly toward that original subject. Listing 10 specific applications to avoid is ridiculous and unproductive. It is an exercise in both futility and arrogance. Instead I have tried to make suggestions on an attitude to approach these matters with, so options are not limited and forward thinking is embraced. It concerns me to think that young and creative minds here would get advice that, in essence, says, "This is the only way to do it, any other way and you are wrong" I do not recommend that any security or IT people take the attitude that they have it all figured out. I recommend that they keep their options open, consider the possibilities, be proactive, and provide solutions that allow a business to function in today's interactive world in a way the *business* wants. I always thought the correct work ethic was to provide the service to the customer, not force the customer to do it "my way or the highway" They are, after all, paying me to provide what they ask for and need. I hope my creativity does not become so stagnant that I ever have to say, "There is only way to do any of this" And to help you out Mr. Greer. "Duh! That is obvious!" Yes it is, isn't it? Bears being said anyway, particularly for the those in an early learning curve. Too bad that approach seems to be outside your thinking sphere. As for the poster who asked for things to be cited regarding the compromise and flaw rankings, it has been in the media, in trade reports, on web sites, in security newsletters. I read these things, I research and keep current. Google it yourself, don't ask me to do all the work for you. Please don't take the old and tired approach that if it is negative about MS, IBM or whoever it is completely true, but if it is negative about Linux, its Linux bashing and lies. Linux deserves better than that. That attitude didn't work for MS or IBM, it isn't going to work for Linux either. Also, if anyone is going to try to make swipes on semantics or someone's interpretation of statements, don't turn around and do it yourself in the same sentence. That gives such an air of desperation and closed mindedness. Perhaps wrongly, I assumed the security basics list was all encompassing where it relates to security basics. I did not view it as belonging to a select few based on their personal view of what constitutes a computer expert and what they view as the only correct options. I don't know, seems to me the world is just a little more diverse than that. Best Regards, Dan Bartley -----Original Message----- From: Tim Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 14:32 To: Dan Bartley; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Bartley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: Ten least secure programs > Your comments appeared to have a clear slant to them. They also were > contrary to the statistics. No, only someone that's hard up to bash Linux users would assume this. Nothing was contrary to what _you_ claim. 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