Re: James Server SMTP Spooling Issue

Eric Charles Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:37:04 -0800

Are you sure the mails in the outgoing queue are 'deliverable' mails(there is a remote SMTP ready to receive them)?


Thx, Eric


On 07/03/2013 08:13, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

Hi Eric,

"Could it be that the mail you send to the non-existing id bounce back from
the remote smtp, and that your mailet config send them again to the remote
SMTP, and so on... "
I get following INFO message only in "smtpserver.log" when ever we send
mails to invalid emaild ids.No error no bounce information is logged by
James.

INFO  14:07:21,331 | james.smtpserver | Id='632328207' User='
te...@zoduka.com' Successfully spooled mail
Mail1362492441321-ccbd5501-6777-42c5-9164-c143c9487c3f from
test4@zoduka.comon xxx.xxx.xxx.xx/xxx.xxx.xxx.xx for [
b3bd918c-a03a-453d-901b-bdce5fd09...@rediffmail.com]

Also
"bouncing so many times that your outgoing queue is overloaded?"
We initially sent few 100 emails to incorrect ids and then we stopped after
stopping what ever was the count of outgoing queue its same after that it
only increases when we send a new email to valid id. So there seems no
matter of outgoing queue getting overloaded. But yes there is some thing
which is waiting to get complete to send emails.

and we have no custom mailets to handle bounced mails nor we have
customized smtpserver.conf to handle bounce emails.

Regards,
Farooq

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

Hi,

Could it be that the mail you send to the non-existing id bounce back from
the remote smtp, and that your mailet config send them again to the remote
SMTP, and so on... bouncing so many times that your outgoing queue is
overloaded?

Thx, Eric



On 06/03/2013 12:27, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

Hi Eric,

Here is the test scenario.
I have created a new instance of James and the only difference between the
earlier instance and this one is that earlier instance uses java 1.7 and
this one uses java 1.6 , else every thing is same.

With this difference also i am able to reproduce the issue.

Initially i sent emails to valid email ids and emails were getting
delivered as expected.
Later i sent email to multiple ids which does not exist, though there mail
providers were valid.

e.g  someuniqu...@vsnl.net,
        someuniqu...@rediffmail.com etc

After next day i checked bean
org.apache.james:name=queue,**queue=outgoing,type=component

and there were many mails all having "state = error;".
Now today mail are getting spooled and not delivered, though i can
instantly receiving emails but outgoing emails are getting stucked in
queue.

I am using james3beta4.
Let me know if you can reproduce using same version.

Regards,
Farooq

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

  Hi Farooq,


Unfortunately, I can not reproduce it.
Any chance for you to write a Java unit test that shows this?
Thx, Eric


On 25/02/2013 05:25, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

  Hi Eric,


Any further info on this, this issue is still unresolved..

Regards,
Farooq

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Farooq Ahmed
<farooq.ah...@centralogic.net>****wrote:


   We do use to restart the system after that the spooled mails are

delivered
and after restart first mail is sent out with out getting stuck in
outgoing
queue but from second mail onwards one mail always keeps stuck in
outgoing
queue.

Regards,
Farooq


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

   Did you already tried a stop/start of James to see if those numbers

change?

Thx, Eric


On 19/02/2013 12:33, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

   Hi Eric,


The QueueSize is 2 in mbean Destination=outgoing,Type=****
Queue(ActiveMQ)
and
Size is also 2 in name=queue,queue=outgoing,******type=component
(james)



The only logical relation that i can see between ActiveMQ and James
is
the
outgoing queue size in both is 2. Where as there are no messages in
List
returned by james bean and ActiveMQ bean shows one message in queue.

we have'nt done any changes in ActiveMQ, but we have changed
configuration
files of james for spams, fakeipaddress, baeysian algorithm and we
dont
store copy of sent mails.

Regards,
Farooq

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org>
wrote:

    Hi Farooq,

Looking at Destination=outgoing,Type=********Queue, the
EnqueueCount/DequeueCount/********QueueSize seem odd (14976 -
14975 <>

2).



Can you link/find some logic between those ActiveMQ numbers and the
numbers shown in the James MBeans?

Do you run with the embedded ActiveMQ shipped by default? Any
changes
in
the configuration?

Thx, Eric


On 19/02/2013 11:44, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

    Hi Eric,

Here you go..
            Attributes Value
BeanName        ConsumerCount
            ProducerCount   QueueSize       DequeueCount
   EnqueueCount
     browse
Destination=ActiveMQ.DLQ,Type=********Queue     0       0       1

    0


      0       Shows 1 message in
outgoing queue,
invalid recepient
Destination=outgoing,Type=********Queue         10      5       2


14976

      14975   shows 1 message
in outgoing queue,the one which we sends after every 30 sec
Destination=spool,Type=Queue    2       3       0       15146
15146
no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********TempQueue,Type=Topic      1

    0


      0       0       146     no
emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Queue,Type=Topic  0       0

    0
      0       6       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Producer.Queue.spool,**
Type=**

****Topic

     0

0       0       0       3       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Producer.Queue.outgoing,****


Type=**Topic

0       0       0       0       5       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Consumer.Queue.spool,**
Type=**

****Topic

     0

0       0       0       253212  no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Consumer.Queue.outgoing,****


Type=**Topic

0       0       0       0       1232626         no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.********Connection,Type=Topic     0

    0


      0       0       1       no
emails



Now I can see the mail stuck in outgoing queue, the one which we
send
every 30 sec..

Regards,
Farooq


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org
<mailto:e...@apache.org>> wrote:

        Hi,
        All, except the first and the last ones.
        Thx, Eric


        On 19/02/2013 10:57, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

            Hi Eric,

            Which mbean of activemq would you like me to check from
the
            following ...
            org.apache.activemq:__********BrokerName=james,__**
ConnectorName=tcp_//localhost_********__0,Type=Connector
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Connection,********__Type=Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Consumer.__********Queue.outgoing,Type=**Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Consumer.__********Queue.spool,Type=Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Producer.__********Queue.outgoing,Type=**Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Producer.__********Queue.spool,Type=Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Queue,Type=********__Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.TempQueue,_********_Type=Topic
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.DLQ,Type=Queue
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_outgoing,Type=Queue
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_spool,Type=Queue
            org.apache.activemq:__********
BrokerName=james,Type=Broker





            Regards,
            Farooq

            On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Eric Charles <
e...@apache.org
            <mailto:e...@apache.org>> wrote:

                Any chance to compare those numbers with the ones
given by
                the activemq
                mbeans?

                Thx, Eric


                On 19/02/2013 10:42, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

                    Hi Eric,

                    i have used jmxterm-1.0-alpha-4-uber jmx cli,

                    "You mean to 'push out' the queue.
                    The mail you send triggers the pending mails to
go
out?"

                    Yes this new mail push the earlier mail out but
itself
                    gets stuck in
                    spool,to which a new mail after 30 sec pushes
out
and
                    that mail gets
                    struck
                    and soon...

                    Can you guide me how to figure out the reason
as to
why
                    the size attribute
                    value is 5 and the browse List only contains 3
mails
                    details.
                    Also Why The mail which gets stuck in spool its
count
is
                    incremented in
                    attribure Size but its details are not present
in
browse
                    List..?

                    Regards,
                    Farooq

                    On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Eric Charles
                    <e...@apache.org <mailto:e...@apache.org>>
wrote:

                       Hi Farooq,



                        On 18/02/2013 12:39, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

                           Hi Eric,


                            Here is the output which i get when i
use
Bean
                            org.apache.james:name=queue,**********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__********component

                            $>bean
                            org.apache.james:name=queue,**********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__********component





                            #bean is set to
org.apache.james:name=queue,**
                            queue=outgoing,type=component
                            $>info
                            #mbean =
                            org.apache.james:name=queue,**********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__********component
                            #class name =
                            org.apache.james.queue.****__********



library.MailQueueManagement



                            # attributes
                                  %0   - Size (long, r)
                            # operations
                                  %0   - java.util.List browse()
                                  %1   - long clear()
                                  %2   - long flush()
                                  %3   - long
                            removeWithName(java.lang.****_**
******_String
p1)
                                  %4   - long
                            removeWithRecipient(java.lang.****
****__****String
p1)
                                  %5   - long
                            removeWithSender(java.lang.*******

****__*String

p1)




                            #there's no notifications
                            $>get Size
                            #mbean =
                            org.apache.james:name=queue,**********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__********component:




                            Size = 7;


                        Cool, it seems like you have found a JXM CLI
which
                        works fine.
                        Which one is it?



                           Let me know if you need any further
details.

                            can you educate me as to Size= 7 is the
no
of
                            mails still in outgoing
                            spool
                            or is some default size of outgoing
queue.


                               It is the number of pending mails in
the
queue.

                        So you have 7 mails waiting to be sent to
the
                        outside world/


                            Also note that do deal with this
spooling
                        problem, the workaround that
                        we

                            did temporarily is that we created an
                            application that sends an email to
                            some email address every 30 sec.


                        You mean to 'push out' the queue.
                        The mail you send triggers the pending mails
to go
out?

                        Thx, Eric



                           Regards,

                            Farooq

                            On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Eric
Charles
                            <e...@apache.org <mailto:
e...@apache.org>>
wrote:

                                Hi,


                                Maybe the cloud's firewall blocks
your
requests.

                                For JMX command line, type 'jmx
cli' in
                                google and experiment (tried
                                one
                                of these long time ago).

                                Thx, Eric


                                On 18/02/2013 10:11, Farooq Ahmed
wrote:

                                    Hi Eric,


                                    I tried remotely connecting to
JMX
using
                                    Jconsole and remote jmx
                                    connection
                                    method specified on
                                    http://james.apache.org/****
                                    server/3/config-system.html<__*
*****
**ht**tp://
james.apache.org/****
                                    <http://james.apache.org/****>
                                    server/3/config-system.html<***
*****
ht__tp://
james.apache.org/**__**server/******3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/****3/config-system.html>
<http:**//james.apache.org/**__****server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/**3/config-system.html>

<http://**james.apache.org/**_**_**server/**3/config-system.**html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/**3/config-system.html>
<http://james.apache.org/****__**server/3/config-system.**html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/3/config-system.html>


  <http://**james.apache.org/**_****_server/3/**config-system.**

html <http://james.apache.org/**_**_server/3/**config-system.html>
<http://james.apache.org/****__server/3/**config-system.**html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/**config-system.html>

**<http://james.apache.org/**_**_**server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/3/config-system.html>
**<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/config-system.html>

                                     <http://james.apache.org/****

server/3/config-system.html<****ht**tp://james.apache.org/****

server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/3/config-system.html>

                                     <ht**tp://

james.apache.org/**_**** <http://james.apache.org/**_**>
**** <http://james.apache.org/**_******<http://james.apache.org/**_****>

<http://james.apache.org/***** <http://james.apache.org/***>

*_** <http://james.apache.org/**_****>>
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<http://james.apache.org/*****><http://james.apache.org/*****<http://james.apache.org/***>

*__server/**3/config-system.******html<http://james.apache.**
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*__server/**3/config-system.****html<http://james.apache.org/***
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server/**3/config-system.html<****http://james.apache.org/****
server/**3/config-system.html<**http://james.apache.org/****
server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/**3/config-system.html>


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system.**<http://james.apache.org/_****_**server/**3/config-system.**>

**html<http://james.apache.**org/_**_**server/**3/config-**
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html <http://james.apache.org/__**server/**3/config-system.html>>


  
<http://james.apache.org/_**_****server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/_**_**server/**3/config-system.html>

**<http://james.apache.org/_**_**server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/_**_server/**3/config-system.html>

<**http://james.apache.org/__****server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/__**server/**3/config-system.html>
**<http://james.apache.org/__**server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/__server/**3/config-system.html>

**>


                                     <http://james.apache.org/**

server/**3/config-system.html<******http://james.apache.org/**

server/**3/config-system.html<****http://james.apache.org/**
server/**3/config-system.html<**http://james.apache.org/**
server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/**3/config-system.html>

**>


                                     <**
http://james.apache.org/**_**** <http://james.apache.org/**_**>

**** <http://james.apache.org/**_******<http://james.apache.org/**_****>

<http://james.apache.org/***** <http://james.apache.org/***>

*_** <http://james.apache.org/**_****>>
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_**** <http://james.apache.org/**__****><http://james.apache.org/*
***__** <http://james.apache.org/**__**>>

server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/**__****<http://james.apache.org/**__**>

server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/**__**
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/config-system.html>


                                     <http://james.apache.org/****

server/3/config-system.html<****ht**tp://james.apache.org/****

server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/3/config-system.html>


    <**ht__tp://james.apache.org/********server/__3/config-system.

****html<http://james.apache.org/******server/__3/config-system.**html>
<http://james.apache.**org/****server/__3/config-**system.html<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html>

<http://james.apache.org/******server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html>
<**http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html>

**>
**<http://james.apache.org/******server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html>
**<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html>

<**http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html>
<**http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/__3/config-system.html>

                                     <http://james.apache.org/**

server/3/config-system.html<****ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/** <http://james.apache.org/**server/**><
http://james.apache.**org/server/**<http://james.apache.org/server/**>


3/config-system.html<http://****james.apache.org/server/3/**<http://james.apache.org/server/3/**>

config-system.html<http://**james.apache.org/server/3/**
config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/3/config-system.html>



                                    But i could not get connected to
jmx
on
                                    my email server.

                                    Note that the server where i
have
                                    deployed james is on azure cloud
PAS
                                    network and is Ubunto system.
                                    Is there any mechanism where i
can
                                    observe the message queue
contents
                                    on
                                    local ubunto system using ssh
only.

                                    Regards,
                                    Farooq

                                    On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:02
PM,
Ajay
                                    Navgale <
                                    ajay.navg...@centralogic.net
                                    <mailto:ajay.navgale@******
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ogic.net <http://centralogic.net><ajay.****navgale@**
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                                         wrote:






                                       ---------- Forwarded message
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                                        From: Eric Charles <
e...@apache.org
                                        <mailto:e...@apache.org>>

                                        Date: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at
7:52 PM
                                        Subject: Re: James Server
SMTP
                                        Spooling Issue
                                        To: James Users List
                                        <
server-user@james.apache.org
                                        <mailto:server-user@james.
**
apache.org <server-user@james.apache.org>******>>






                                        Hi,
                                        You mean you the newly
spooled
mails
                                        'push-out' the remaining
ones.
                                        After that, the latest one
remains
                                        stucked in the queu?

                                        If such, that's very strange
and
we
                                        never saw that before.
                                        Do you use JMX to inspect
the
queue
                                        content/size?

                                        Thx, Eric


                                        On 12/02/2013 11:45, Ajay
Navgale
wrote:

                                             Hi,


                                            We are using james 3.0
beta4.
                                            We have an issue while
sending
                                            an email. There is
always
one
                                            outgoing
                                            mail
                                            left in spool and is
delivered
                                            when any new outgoing
mail
is
to
be
                                            sent.
                                            Now previous mail gets
delivered
                                            and this recent once
sits
in
the
                                            spool.
                                            This is happening for
Remote
                                            delivery.

                                            Can anyone throw some
light on
this.

                                            Thanks & Regards,
                                            Ajay




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